Bout as well as you can watching Bruce Lee films while eating cheeto's all day. Money shouldn't be a problem since Boxing and Judo clubs run less than a standard gym subscription generally being at or less than $100 a month.

Seriously, no one has made any success at all in martial arts without coaching and sparring, these are cornerstones of training for a reason. Books can't judge the stability of your stance or the finesse of your footwork through experience.

The real problem you have is that there will be no feedback. You need that. With out it your mistakes will go uncorrected and will build on each other. Most mistakes you probably won't be aware of , so you need to have some one giving you feed back.

In all the martial arts I've tried you can learn a certain amount by self practice but you will need to practice with another person or you simply will not know how it feels to actually try a technique.

Going over it in your mind and doing the moves by your self doesn't teach you how it feels when you make contact with another person.

Also training by yourself gives you a false impression of how good you are. You don't want to find out your doing it all wrong when your life depends on it.

>>17605
I honestly do not remember what brand it was, I just remember seeing the "testimonals" on the website and that comment was among them. I was trying to cut through a rope (3/4 inch) and the blade fell off like it was being held in by a toothpick.

Gonna be picking up one of these soon. Heard nothing but good things about it.

Heres an option, build yourself a mini forge and go bash some railroad spikes into a knife.

Not only is the steel great quality, but you also have the satisfation of having a knife you made with your own two hands.

>>17871
Railroad spikes eh? Hadn't thought of that.
I know leaf springs are good for larger blades, not sure about an EDC knife. But yeah, making a knife with Stock Removal is easy as hell, and this guy's suggestion isn't that hard either.

>>17587

That knife is great. VG-10 is considered super-steel, it should hold an edge 2x-3x better than a Chinese knife. It will never break as long as you use it for things you don't need a fixed blade or machete for. Personally I prefer at least a 3.5" blade for daily carry.

>>17590
That's what happens when you buy shit at a flea market. A pivot has never snapped in a real spyderco knife even under use of use.

>>17887
I'm not arguing that, but if you think you can direct machine-gun fire at a target almost two kilometers away effectively, you should make a youtube video of it.

And don't pull out the fact that automatic weapons are used for suppressive fire. They are, but then indirect fire coming down in a spray at 4 kilometers, causing enemy combatants to duck counts as effective range for the weapon.

>indirect fire coming down in a spray at 4 kilometers, causing enemy combatants to duck counts as effective range for the weapon
What? No. It's based on the distance at which you can hit a target, not the distance at which you can make use of the weapon. Going by your example, a broken weapon could have an effective range by threatening with it.

>>17899
I am so confused at this post. Re-read mine please.

Perhaps you people would be less confused if you'd learn about weapons instead of picking apart each other's posts.

>>17903
Discussion is good, yes. So.. likewise..

SAGE has been used.

There's Lua, the Hawaiian martial art, if manly oil wrestling with shark-tooth edged clubs is your thing. Sambo and the various slavic wrestling traditions it's derived from are fairly obscure. Somehow, I suspect krav maga is too mainstream for what you have in mind.

I'm not hipster enough to have heard of any other 'non-eastern, non-western' martial arts.

Googling 'obscure martial arts' brought this up:

Tahtib
Disciplined training is all well and good, but sometimes you just want to grab a stick and beat the living hell out of your opponent. That’s the basic idea behind tahtib, a form mostly practiced in the northern region of Egypt.
The full name of the art is “fann el nazaha wal tahtib,” which roughly translates to “the art of uprightness and honesty through the use of a stick.” Depictions of tahtib gestures have been found in tombs dating back to the second millennium BC, when Ancient Egyptians used it as both a dance form and a way of training for the military.
In tahtib’s traditional form, one person strikes at an opponent’s head while the opponent defends, switching roles after each turn. What it may lack in grace or subtlety, tahtib makes up for in entertainment value, as it is often practiced to bass drum and pipe music. At times, tahtib is a performance, but the severity and seriousness of the head strikes often escalate as the action does.

Kalaripayattu
Dating back about three millennia, the Indian practice of kalaripayattu may be the oldest martial art in the world. Kalaripayattu is traditionally taught in a kalari–Tamil for “battlefield”–a 21-by-42-foot enclosure with an East-facing entrance and a seven-tiered platform, called a poothara, in the southwest corner. The poothara’s tiers represent the seven virtues anyone who practices kalaripayattu requires: strength, patience, commanding power, posture, training, expression, and sound.
Beginners in kalaripayattu start with lessons on stance, stretching, conditioning, and basic hand and leg movements. The focus then shifts to core strength, along with acrobatic moves such as flips and kicks. Students then progress to using small weapons such as the cheruvadi, or a short stick, and the gada, a type of mace.
After mastering these, students move on to fighting with a sword and shield, then into bare-handed combat. They must also be able to identify the 64 kula marmas, or deadly spots, on the human body.
Kalaripayattu has a close association with the ayurveda-based kalari treatment system, originally developed to help trainees recover from sprains, cuts, fractures, and other common battle wounds.

Glíma is the Icelandic national style of folk wrestling.

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>>17896

I should also mention that 'technically' some of these are still 'eastern' or 'western'. Those terms are highly misleading though. Generally speaking 'Eastern' is oriental and 'Western' is everything else, except possibly 'Middle-eastern'.

>>17897

Eastern being asian madcunts and western being white madcunts. When they say "western peoples" they mean white people, like germans and british and french and americans and shit.

>>17900
But that would discount the grandaddy of all western MA being Grecko-Roman wrestling as well as Russian SAMBO and even the Israeli Krav Maga.

Eastern is much more defined being anything coming from Southeast Asia but Western has pretty much come to mean everything that isn't Asian.

>>17855
The best alternatives are San Da kung fu or Kyokushin Karate. Both, unlike your choices, use methods that have been shown to work much more reliably than what you've chosen.

Wing Chun would be a better option than Karate in general.

Just be sure to move on to other things as well. Read books nigga.

Maybe I should reconstruct some version of the /q/ sticky.
http://aliveness101.blogspot.com/2005/07/why-aliveness.html

>>17890
This would be nice since most of the living population of the planet have no fucking idea what proper Martial Arts are about; case and point being UFC posting about Bruce Lee on their facebook page to shill some movie and fans eating that shit up.

I will however say what I always say about this subject. "Aliveness" is a terrible word and does the opposite of rolling off the tongue, it sorta just forces its way out like a fat, hard stool and feels uncomfortable linguistically.

>>17891

And the rest of the planet's population has watched too many martial arts movies and think martial arts are magical tools of enlightenment rather than functional combat systems.

So that's what a pistol looks like.

A few batches of Sigmas had problems. Many people would tell you to get rid of the thing and buy a decent gun. If it shoots good and doesn't give you feeding issues, then just tell those people to eat a six foot cock out of a three foot bowl.

If it's new, you'll probably need to shoot about two to three hundred rounds to "break it in". If you get a couple issues with the pistol before that, don't worry too much. If you're looking for a better pistol that's fairly similar, try a Glock. The Sigma is based pretty closely on the Glock, so much that S&W got sued by Glock for patent infringement. The trigger mechanism on the new Sigmas had to be changed as a result of the suit, IIRC. This sort of behavior from Smith and Wesson isn't new, by the way. S&W began by copying Samuel Colt's design and reversing the mechanism to get around the patent.

>>17861
Yeah, I'll be taking it to the range (woods) sometime this week, when I have time. A single problem and I'm dropping the bitch.

>>17869
So anyway, how'd it go? By the way, that last thing was exactly what you were warned would be premature. So do you still have it?

>>17885
Well, I'm happy with it. Didn't give me any problems, and it definitely has a much better kick to it than the last one I had.

>>17794

The only reason rifled shotguns exist is that there are states which limit hunting to "shotguns only" meaning a rifle is not legally available for use. It's a way to work around a shitty law made by idiots.

OP - If all the weapons are being pulled from a UN/US military stockpile, then the typical anti-personnel sniper rifle would be a Remmington 700, specifically the military version, the M24 SWS (latest variant pictured.) Since you're looking for max range and variable ammo though, you'll more likely want the Barret M82 or M95 Anti-materiel rifle. It's made for putting holes in lightly armored vehicles and has a tremendous range. Because it's chambered in .50 BMG, it has a number of specific bullet options, up to and including armor-piercing-exploding-incendiary (APEI) rounds. Most other guns only shoot different hunks of metal. Since the .50BMG round was used for killing vehicles, it comes in flavors other than vanilla. If you want real wacky ammo variation though, you need a shotgun.

For the big guy with the big pistol, there's always the Ruger Super Redhawk. It's an idiotically big revolver. Shoots through schools. If the guy's using a military-issue weapon though, best you'll do is a Colt 1911. No one issues hand-cannons.

For the kids, I would say a FN Five seveN pistol, since that's currently posed to be the new UN standard as well. It's also easy enough to shoot, though the grip might be over-sized for youngins. Bullets are small, but with a solid bit of power behind them, also, comes with a 20 or 30 round capacity, so it's quite the threat.

The AA-12 is fully automatic, but it doesn't have to be fired at those rates. There are a large number of 12-gage shotgun rounds which have specific purposes. read wikipedia here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotgun#Specialty_ammunition
The Frag-12 shells are the thing that everybody has been pissing themselves over for the past few years.

A solid, easy to transport Assault rifle that you'd find in a UN/US stockpile would the the M4A1 carbine. Chamber it in 6.8 SPC for giggles.

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>>17798
Thank you. The Barret sounds like what I'm looking for in this situation, along with the FN pistol for the kids. The Super Redhawk sounds interesting too. Thank you also for the links to the different info on shotguns and ammo.

Now I have some questions on other ordinance. I saw some things on the M18 Claymore Mine, are there any of these that shoot anything besides the little metal balls? What other mines might be stocked by a military base. One thing I do want to point out is that this is a 'military' base, it isn't an official US ARMY base. Many of the things would be similar/same, but creative license will allow a bit of believable variance since it isn't official anyway.

Here's another question, for you thinkers out there, I'm thinking about having one of the characters carrying a Lupara as a back up weapon in an over the shoulder holster. If you had a Lupara, what type of shell would keep loaded, ready to go? Would you have both barrels one kind of shell or a different one in each? Why?

>>17823

The Lupara is a double barrelled shotgun, cut down to about 12" or so. No choke, so shot spread is huge. I'd go with one in either 10 or 12 gauge with external hammers, 00 buck in both. Just for fun you can have this character modify the shells with some specialty rounds of his own, say like fletchette (steel darts) rounds.

>>17823
Claymores are just that, mines spitting out steel balls. Other anti personnel types would be "bouncing betty", this type of ordnance gets launched up to about waist to chest height before exploding, launching shrapnel in a 360 degree pattern. The Germans invented it and named it "Schrapnellmine". The more modern equivalent is the SMi-35m the American version is the M16A2 Bounding Mine. These can be triggered by trip wire or pressure fuse on the mine itself.

>>17823

Russia and China both have designed mines similar to the Claymore, as have some other states. One of the Russian designs is about twice as big as a claymore, but I'm not sure if that model was ever produces in large numbers. Most claymore-like land mines are similar in size and lethality.

I don't know if the guy died, but he was in what I would call "very poor" shape afterwards, not really sure if he lived/lived well when it was over.

I'm not mentally scarred from it at all.

I've killed 3-7 people and I can't say I've been "mentaly-scarred"

>>17845
In what context?

>>17845 Indeed, was it out of anger, premeditated, or for satisfaction? And what sorts of methods did you use?

And I'll add, I can't imagine a 'real' killer posting here, but maybe an innocent person whom made a mistake... human errors happen too easily and we don't even realise it.

>>17852
He was probably in the army.

SAGE has been used.

I've heard of one called many things; it's very deadly.
Aconite, monkshood, wolf's bane, and more.
It's so pretty...

"What you do not smell is called iocane powder. It is odorless, tasteless, dissolves instantly in liquid, and is among the more deadlier poisons known to man."

This thread

SAGE has been used.

>>17822

Use alkaline extraction process, available in most garden stores, hours of fun.

>>Tripfag
>>Destroyer666
>>Asking for information readily available with even the most lazy google search.


I've come to the conclusion that you're a 14 year old boy suffering from "the angst". Don't worry, you'll get over it in a few years. Till then:
http://www.health.nsw.gov.au/resources/publichealth/pharmaceutical/pdf/poisons_list_alpha.pdf

>>17727
all martial arts do shitty compliant drills. every last one, they teach you how to fight against someone who's not fighting, or can only throw 1 attack at a time then takes 5 minutes to calculate there next move.

>>17778
Of course all martial arts do compliant drills, it's to teach you how the movement is supposed to work without someone of low skill level hurting someone. Where the shitty part comes in is when they let it go at that and let people assume that that is all they need. You have to keep speeding it up and adding resistance as the person becomes more familiar with the movement, and as you get more familiar with more movements they you can start stringing them together. This is the purpose of open sparring, so you can practice those strings of movements against a resisting opponent who is also practicing the strings, reversals, counters, etc.
If you honestly believe that all martial arts can only handle one attack every five minutes, I have a challenge for you. I would suggest you got tryout for a cage match, but not sure how you go about that, so how about this... go find yourself a BJJ dojo, find out who a couple of the black belts are, randomly pick a fight with one of them without a weapon, (You know talk shit for a couple of seconds then start swinging, most black belts will try to avoid a confrontation so you will likely have to force the issue) you should be able to take them easily.

>>17778
All martial arts do drills, true, but only the "special" ones do over-glorified drills in the guise of full resistance sparring. Good arts will only use compliant training for one or two months before the new guys start fully sparring.

Fighters will learn the fastest when their skills are tested against as much resistance as possible.

>>17719
I'm about to start my first day in a Dojang this Friday. Anything I should do to ready myself mentally?

>>17819

Fuck, it's not like you're getting deployed...

SAGE has been used.

>>17706

That is some interesting shit for EDC.

old pic from a month or so ago
Streamlight Micro
S&W Special Tactics Tanto
Ka Bar TDI LDK (worn between belt or around neck, secured by lanyard from the Streamlight)
wallet
Keys; turn bulb flashlight, never use but to carry spare AAA for my Streamlight
Bick Pen
Pantech Phone, non smart, no hassle and durable

I knew there was something I was missing for that photo... where the hell did I put my flashlight?

Mentally add Google Nexus S and a brushed steel Zippo, I have no idea where I put the latter...

This was back in something like late 09 early 10.

>>17756

Explain to me why you think an DI gun is less reliable than a piston gun in super sandy environments? In your own words please.

>>17758
Honestly, I don't know what factor or combination of factors make the design worse in dust. And though largely overblown, it is an issue- with the Colt-made, mil-spec rifles. Not necessarily all DI guns.
Army dust tests put their current M4s consistently and dramatically less dust-resistant than newer and more pricy piston stuff.
Iraq was a perfect (dust) storm, and unless the Army decides to start a campaign in the Kalahari, it doesn't really warrant replacement until the cost comes down.

>>17759

I would consider it a factor of the 2,500 HK416 and SCAR-L expense and build quality than anything else. I get the impression that a Noveske N4 would keep up with the aforementioned rifles just as well.

My argument for why the piston fad is bullshit is this: You don't remove carbon build up. You simply move it from one place to another at the price of a sharper recoil. Carbon is still going to build up around the piston and in the breech no matter what you do. Guns like the G-3 can be incredibly difficult to clean and have residue buildup where many armchair commandos would argue that there should be none.

tl;dr: all guns shit themselves. All that changes is where they shit themselves. They all need to be cleaned and maintained.

The cleaning instructions for the almighty reliable AK-47 translated from the Russian Manual:

"The weapon is cleaned at the following times:
Daily if in combat, on maneuvers or extensive training in field.
Immediately after detail or training.
Immediately after firing service or blank ammunition. The weapon must be cleaned immediately after firing using alkali solution, and the gun grease must be applied to bore, gas cylinder, gas cylinder tube, piston and bolt.
The weapon must be cleaned upon returning to the unit, and cleaned the following three or four days.

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>>17762
>I would consider it a factor of the 2,500 HK416 and SCAR-L expense and build quality than anything else.

Agreed. But I hardly think piston guns (other than AR variants) are a "fad".
I also get the feeling that manual was more to instill discipline and give bored conscripts something productive to do than anything else, not that it isn't a good idea.

>>17776

Go to any CAWADOOTY forum or airshit forum and you will hear the usual: OMG DI SUCKS PISTON ROOLZ. Among other people generally believing that every gun should have a short stroke piston whether or not they have any understanding of how either work.

Hence my word choice of fad. On top of Almost every major gun manufacturer releasing some sort of AR proprietary piston bullshit.

So you guys who have endured Spray and continued acting... by any chance has anyone here been Tased?

Looks crippling enough but it's another thing I've wondered if one could willpower/drug through

>>17603

Nope. A taser overrides the central nervous system and causes all your muscles to seize up and forces you to drop like a brick. You could be an Olympic body builder on PCP and it'll still drop you.

Now some people are able to recover faster than others which could be a problem (though an easy solution would be another zap).

>>17471
on a serious note disregarding the fact that i hate you OP, a kabar, buck 119, are both good fix-blade knives for around $50, and there's others out there. for other people looking at this post wanting advice.

now for my answer to the OP, go to a porn store, buy a big heavy pink sparkly dildo, and carry it everyday, if attacked, whip it out, if he doesn't laugh and leave, try to slap him with it, then you'll probably be savagely ass blasted with that very dildo before your most likely murdered, which is exactly what a pussy idiot like you needs.

>>17604

This is actually true, as opposed to how some have said that pepper spray is debilitating. But the tazed person isn't going to stay tazed forever. Most of the tazer guns cops have only last for 5 seconds a hit. It's enough to get the upper hand on the assailant, or run away.

>>17604
There was a post on one of the boards before, news video or something. People can build a resistance to tazers just like they can to pepper spray. Police officer pulled a guy over or something and the guy attacked him, police officer tazed him like three times and it had no effect, officer ended up having to run away and call for back up. The got the guy later. Many non-lethal self-defense things have the problem of people building up resistances to them or the person's physiology just not being effected. Although admittedly rare you may run into someone who is unaffected by almost any non-lethal countermeasure.

>>17741
This one confuses me. Saab says it's supposed to fill the role of an LMG?

>>17745
I never noticed that before... very weird.

Dat transparent grip.

Dead or alive...

... you're coming with me.

>>17687
the hi point 995ts is really good too.

>>17689
thanks finally an answer

>>17686
Those Mossbergs are cheap and shitty, it is just a plinkster in an airsoft shell. The only tactical .22 i have heard of great quality are the S&W M&P-22
Get a Savage Mk II or 10/22.

I find it kind of odd that people seem to use the word "tactical" to mean "it looks like an AR-15". So what are .22s that don't look like an AR-15? Strategic?

Reminds me of some Russian sniper who was commenting on the use of the SV-99 (a Russian .22 LR sniper rifle). He said it's not really important that it can't penetrate armor, because as long as you are within about a hundred meters and can see his face or neck, you can kill him.

If you can't hit a head-sized target at 100 meters with any kind of gun, you need to get a .22 rifle and practice until you can.

>>17717

I think by tactical they mean synthetic, black, and railz. See:
http://www.ruger.com/products/1022Tactical/models.html

I completely agree. If you can't keep your shots within 6 inch circle at 100 yards with irons you have some issues.

>>17681

GOD DAMN YOU CALIFORNIA RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS MAKING PICKING UP MY PISTOL MUCH MORE DIFFICULT THAN IT NEEDS TO BE! I should be getting it within the next two or 3 days.

Took her to the range. Twas a good day.

>>17697
Those controls look nice and big, how do you like 'em?

>>17701

The slide release is kind of hard to depress but other than that it's a great gun. There is a picture of todays target in the EDC thread if you are interested. Range was 25 feet.

>>17702

Scratch that. After a good bit of finger fucking the slide release is working just fine.

>>17564

The distance at which these chips function is a function of the electronic sniffer, not the chip itself. IIRC someone hand built an RFID scanner that worked at 1km away, which is not an insignificant distance. With a more amplified antenna and better radio equipment with filtering algorithms, I bet the range for tracking could be extended even further.

I could describe all the things that could be done with this, but you'd probably dismiss it as "too complicated to work", or "crazy talk".

All things considered, I don't think Chiappa is really to blame here. I mean, they could have integrated the RFID into the gun, but they just kinda glued it in there instead, so it's easy to remove. You can even destroy RFID chips with nothing more than radio waves (until it becomes illegal, like destroying serial numbers).

>>17567

Why would I dismiss that? I have no working knowledge of such things.

Yet even if you're right you're still suggesting gun owners would just leave them on there.

>>17577

I never suggested any such thing.

I've played around with RFID before, and unless this is using some new, unheard of technology, there's an incredibly easy way to make it fail. Even if it's in the frame so you can't remove it.

Hold a second gun next to it.

RFID works in a "field". Let's say you've got 2 tags, id 00-00-00-00 and id 11-11-11-11. Just as an example.
If you put them next to each other and scan them, you get something like 01-11-10-01-00-11-00-10. Completely invalid.

>>17592

That doesn't work, in my experience. About a year ago I used to have a bunch of RFID cards in the same wallet, and they didn't interfere with each other at all.

The ARVN has the one of the most unfair reputations. Next to the French.

rude

rude

rude

rude

>>17556

I think he's trying to classify autoloaders as bullpup...

>>17543

A bullpup is no more difficult to fire prone than a regular rifle using the same magazines. It doesn't matter in this case, because the PDR is intended to be used with 20 round magazines. You can use 30 rounders, but 20 round mags just work better with the whole PDW thing, because they're handier.

>>17566

Exactly. The manufacturer had to shorten the standard magazine size so it wouldn't be a problem. With a non-bullpup rifle, you wouldn't have to do that. It's the same with trigger pull. The AUG has a lot of fancy stuff done to the trigger assembly to make the trigger a little smoother, but in a non-bullpup rifle, none of that has to be done. The only thing the bullpup design has going for it is the longer barrel, shorter profile. But with that comes a lot of little disadvantages, that add up.

Overall this looks neat. But I have a few issues with it:
1. If they really wanted to keep size down they'd drop the rail for an integrated optic/sights. Adding the height of the rail plus flip up irons really adds to the height and time required to deploy (if flip up sights like in OP are used) what is supposed to be a compact and fast weapon. Being that this is Magpul, I'm not surprised.

2. This thing is going to be LOUD. Very short barrel with the bolt right next to your head firing rifle ammo is going to put out a loud flash and big bang. This may or may not be an issue.

>>17568

I don't want this to get completely off topic into a thread on the merits of bullpups, but in this weapon and role it really should be a bullpup. If the magazine and trigger group were located ahead of the trigger/grip you'd be wasting space in the buttstock, and would have a MUCH shorter barrel unless you increase the overall length of the weapon. Weapons in this role need to be small, maneuverable, and powerful enough to kill at reasonable engagement ranges. You could not keep a weapon like this as small as it is without giving up at least one of the following: barrel length, muzzle velocity, or size. For service rifles that's fine, but for a PDW concealability and handling/ease of access in tight quarters are critical. It's telling that neither two most popular PDW's currently on the market, the P90 or the MP7 are set up with the magazine ahead of trigger. I'm not a huge fan of bullpup rifles myself, but for weapons with these requirements it really shouldn't be avoided.

>>17568

The 20 round magazine is to make the weapon more convenient to carry. This has nothing to do with whether or not the weapon is bullpup, because the magazine sticks out the same amount regardless.