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17764 No. 17764
Hello, I'm a writer and I need some gun info, though I don't know terribly much about guns myself. I'm in the midst of writing a story and I need some guns for specific people and I'd like the selections to be realistic, and reflects the characters somewhat. I appreciate any help. Here's what I need:

A sniper rifle. The rifle should have maximum range and ammunition variability. (A description of ammunition and its purposes would be helpful.) It should also be somewhat durable i.e. transport by horse/wagon/foot through mountain/desert/forest.

A large/powerful handgun. This gun will be carried by a very big man. It should be able to plant someone on their ass, vest or no, with enough force to keep them there for a good bit. (Again available types of ammo and usages would again be appreciated.)

An reasonably powerful handgun for a girl and boy about 13 years of age. Said children would be as strong as could be expected for children growing up on a farm. (Are the same types of ammo available?)

I've heard about an automatic shotgun; does this exist? What are the different shotgun rounds and their uses.
Separate question about shotguns. What difference, if any, would rifling a shotgun barrel make? (I've been told that they aren't, so I was curious.)

Fully automatic machine gun. Is that even the right term? I'm just a laymen so I'm not sure I'm calling it right. Just a generally good all around gun for the same types of things as the sniper rifle. I've heard that AK-47s are good, but I don't know why and that is what I need to know.

I may have some other questions later about other munitions like mines, grenades, big guns like howitzers, etc. but this is a good start. Once again thank you for any help.
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>> No. 17765
Use this, http://world.guns.ru/index-e.html

next time just google that shit yourself.
>> No. 17766
A sniper rifle refers specifically to a single-shot, usually bolt-action rifle, designed for high accuracy at very long ranges, with a scope capable of correcting for wind, trajectory variation, and other factors. Is this what you want?

Handguns are primarily described by their caliber. The larger the caliber, the larger the barrel diameter, and therefore the larger the diameter of the bullet being fired. The "stopping power" of a bullet, however, is a description of how effectively it incapacitates someone. Some bullets are better at this than others.

Generally, the higher the caliber, the harder the gun kicks; this is not necessarily related to the stopping power.

Automatic shotguns do exist. They are primarily a military/paramilitary/police weapon. They look more or less like any other military weapon, not like your standard pump-action shotgun that you'd use for hunting.

Shotguns usually fire pellets, which come in a few different sizes. Buckshot is somewhat larger, birdshot smaller. There is also the ability to fire solid slugs, but this is less common.

"Gauge" refers to the barrel's bore diameter. It technically refers to the weight of a solid lead ball that would fit exactly in the barrel: in a 12-gauge shotgun, the ball would weigh 1/12th lb. The higher the gauge number, the smaller the barrel's internal diameter.

Rifling a shotgun barrel would do nothing to improve the gun, because it fires pellets, not a solid bullet. The rifling on a pistol or rifle barrel engages with the round as it goes down the barrel, forcibly spinning it and allowing it a straighter path through the air. Shotguns with pellet ammunition would end up creating a ring of pellets rather than a solid mass, which is undesirable. Firing slugs from a shotgun would, however, benefit from rifling, but there would be no compelling reason to have a rifled shotgun to fire slugs when a rifle was on hand.

"Fully automatic machine gun" is not really a useful term, because it is rather broad in the layman's use, and very specific in the specialist's use. A Machine Gun is technically any fully automatic weapon that is designed to fire from a large-capacity magazine or belt, and almost always served by a two-man team or crew. (One fires, one keeps the ammunition.) The term, however, is used by non-experts to refer to any automatic-firing weapon (as you do by equating a machine gun to an AK-47, generally referred to as an assault rifle.) Assault rifles and sub-machine guns use smaller caliber rounds and smaller magazines, usually holding 30-50 rounds as opposed to the hundred-plus round belts used for a machine gun. (Note that it would be useful for different things than a sniper rifle. Generally, the accuracy diminishes more quickly over a distance, and the automatic nature of these guns lends them to a close(r)-combat situation than a sniper rifle.

To agree with >>17765, though, all of this information is easily available through Wikipedia, or any one of a great deal of books, websites, and other resources.
>> No. 17767
>>17765
Thank you for the link, I'll check it out. However, my point was that I don't know what I'm looking for so I'm wanting people who do telling me what makes sense. I can look at a website and see gun a, b, and c. To me a gun b might look awesome, however, if I put into the story doing something that gun b isn't usable for then I look like I didn't do my research. So I'm asking people who claim to know 'what' and 'why' for guns.

>>17766
I appreciate your input, maybe I wasn't clear enough in my request. What sniper rifle would YOU pick and why?
What hand gun would YOU pick for someone who isn't going to be concerned about the kick and why?
What hand gun would YOU pick for a early teen child?
Thank you for your answers about the shotgun and the explanation about the machine gun vs assault rifle. I'll keep them in mind and you've already helped me stop from making an elementary mistake.
Let me be clear, more than miscellaneous facts about random guns I am looking for guns that YOU, anon, would pick for the given situations, and your reasons as to why. I'm going to have to go with the assumption that if you are picking a weapon you've fired it or know something about it so that you can tell me WHY this would be a good choice so that my character in the story would have a reasoning for his choices and I wouldn't put a weapon in a situation that someone actually knowledgeable about guns wouldn't put it in.
>> No. 17768
>>17765
By the way, that website is bouncing stuff off of my anti-virus about every 10 seconds.
>> No. 17769
>>17764

Precision rifle: Remington Model 700. Extremely common and shoots the full size .308 Winchester round. Effective range of about 800 yards.

Large/Fullsize handgun: Colt 1911 chambered for .45ACP is a prolific large caliber handgun.

Handgun for a child: Glock 19 chambered in 9mm Parabellum. Also an extremely common and popular round. Smallest of the common pistol calibers.

Are you asking for a full-auto shotgun or a semi-auto shotgun. There is a huge difference here. If you're trying to be realistic semi-auto Remington 1100. Shoots 12gauge ammo. An extremely common shotgun shell.

As for a machine gun: People believe AKs are great because of their supposed reliability. IMO they are good simply because they are easy to field strip, cheap to buy, and cheap to feed. The 7.62x39 round is inherently inaccurate past 300 yards.

Handguns are generally ineffective past 40 or so yards. It really comes down to someone being extremely skilled with their firearm at this point. Most people practice shooting at 25 or so yards with their pistols.

Being specific with your questions helps me answer them greatly.
>> No. 17770
>>17769
Thank you!
You mentioned a semi-auto shotgun as being more realistic. Is that because the full auto is only military grade? The protagonist will have access to quite a bit of military hardware, while not 'unlimited' I'll be able to pick and choose a wider range of weapons if that is the only problem. If it is something else then that's fine, I'm just asking for clarification.

Are you saying that you would choose the AK-47 as an assault rifle or just that it is easy to maintain? Ease of maintenance is a big plus I'm sure, but if you like something else better I'd be interested in hearing about it.
>> No. 17771
>>17770 In the US, at least, fully-automatic weapons are not sold to the public. There are weapons that can be modified to allow them to fire fully automatically, but those are "unauthorized" modifications. The full-auto versions are available through the black market/other back-channel purchasing methods, but generally civilians have no ready access to a fully automatic weapon.
>> No. 17772
>>17771
Okay, that would not stop his access to one in the storyline. Due certain happenings in the story he'll have Carte Blanche to a well stocked military base. So there will be a lot that he'll have access to, and even the possibility of a few 'specialty' weapons, without straining credibility too much. For instance he could reasonably be expected to find numerous assault rifles, possibly a crew served machine gun, even grenade/rocket launchers in the armory, but he shouldn't be finding nuclear bombs. So don't let 'military grade' put you off of a weapon choice, though he'll also have several personal weapons so things don't have to be all military grade either. Basically, if you like the weapon I'd like to know about it and why so I can make some nice choices and have a reasoning for it.
>> No. 17774
I wouldn't say the Colt 1911 in .45 fits your large handgun category. A child of 13 could reasonably use a 1911 pistol, because the grip is slimmer than most modern handguns and the recoil is more of a shove than a snap. The 1911 is considered a "full-size" pistol, but it seems as if you are looking for an "oversize" pistol.

Nothing will realistically "plant someone on their ass", because any gun powerful enough to actually knock someone over would knock over the person who fired it. That said, here's a small list of so called handcannons:

-S&W M29 Revolver in .44 Magnum
-Ruger Super Redhawk in .454 Casull (cah-sool). Also fires .45 Colt (not to be confused with .45 ACP, which the 1911 fires)
-Automag pistol in .44 AMP
-U-94 UDAR in 12.3x50R (designed to shoot through stuff, like engine blocks, steel doors, people, etc)
-Dan Wesson .357 SuperMag (also fires .38 Special and .357 Magnum)
-1911 longslide chambered in .45 Super. I know I said the 1911 isn't a particularly powerful handgun, but with a longer barrel and a more powerful cartridge it just barely squeezes in the category.

The background of your characters is important. An American probably won't be using a Russian UDAR, because it's near impossible to get and it's even hard to find ammo for it. He might use a .44

People don't use fully-automatic shotguns because shotgun ammunition is bulky, and you can't carry as much. Cops and soldiers use pump-action shotguns most of the time anyway, since they are more reliable.
>> No. 17775
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17775
Sniper Rifle: Accuracy International Artic Warfare, it's a series of rifles in a variety of flavors, pick one that fits the character's background.

Big Gun: Desert Eagle is the classic for this role story wise, but they suck in real life so gun-nuts get butt hurt about them. Automag's are also really cool looking, check out the IV and V series. If you want a revolver, anything big will do, Dirty Harry's .44 is a M29 S&W I think, and it's pretty classy looking.

Child's Gun: Walther PPK, CZ.52, or look up browning/colt .25 pistols. Small framed, classy looking. Or again you could go the revolver route, .38 snubs could fit

Autoshotgun: SAIGA-12 IS BOSS LOOKING, it's essentially an AK that fires shotgun shells

Assault Rifle: This is another one that depends on who's using it. General rule in fiction: people from NATO countries get ar-15 derivatives (usually some kind of colt xm-177 looking thingy) and people from SOVIET RUSSIA get ak's (if it's more modern you'll want to go with ak-74's, ak hundred series or an-94). If you want to get fancy with it, rk-95 is a cool looking Finnish gun that takes the same ammo as ak-47's, and if you want some sort of futuristic looking guns, H&K G36 or Steyr AUG take the same ammo as ar-15's.

Oh and hey, saw a gun in something and want to use that? The internet movie firearm database has a pretty detailed analysis of the guns in a lot of movies, tv-shows and cartoons.

Good luck with whatever
>> No. 17783
>>17775
The .357 Desert Eagle isn't as crap as the other DE's. But if you're just shooting .357, you don't need a giant hunk of crazy jew metal to make that a reality. Long ass barrel makes it pretty accurate though.


OP, the "automatic shotgun" you've heard of is the AA-12, which is quickly becoming a cliche. Automatic fire is basically a huge waste of ammunition. When you only have 20 round drums and your fire rate is about 350 per minute, that will give you an empty weapon in all of four seconds. Basically a terrible idea.

Anyway, the best gun is the one you have.
By that I mean to say that I wouldn't know what gun a character might have unless I knew more about that character. Where would a kid get a pistol? Found it, or was it from daddy? The sniper rifle, who's carrying it? What's his history?

The only character situation I've got a handle on is the "big gun" moment where someone gets to play quartermaster's best friend. What would be the best weapon(s) for a single man to take with him if he was expecting to shoot a whole mess of folks? Well that depends on the position and capabilities of said people.

How big is the opposing force? Is it going to be a close quarters battle, or would these people be on open ground? Is there an expectation that they might have body armor? Is there no possibility of a quiet infiltration?

There's a lot of things to consider if you're looking for a "best" weapon.

SAGE has been used.
>> No. 17785
I'll toss in my couple of cents.

A standard sniper rifle would be a Remington 700. Basic, timeless bolt action rifle that's plausible for basically any scenario and can be configured in dozens of different ways, from a hunting or sporting rifle to a military sniper rifle.

My choice for a good large, powerful handgun would be a S&W Model 610. Nice beefy handgun, fires what would be considered a very powerful round but within reason for use. A .44 revolver would be an obvious choice if you'd like to use that, being an inherently more powerful round, but I think a 10mm sounds cooler though for no particular reason

For a child, I'd second the recommendation of a Glock 19.

If you'd like to give someone a "military grade" automatic shotgun, i.e. one he could have gained access to from a military base of sorts, a Benelli M1014 would be a good choice, would fit the bill for what you need while keeping things within reason.

As far as a full automatic assault rifle goes there's really a big selection out there. Any AK variant, specifically an AKM or AK74 is plausible. Another obvious choice would be an AR15 variant, particularly something like an XM177. You can get more creative from there though, with something like an M14 or M2. It depends on what you want.
How do you picture that "machinegun"? A huge device that is deployed in an area to saturate it with fire? A sizeable, carried weapon that a villain fires into a crowd? A small implement unfolded out of a suitcase? There are a number of characteristics that I'd narrow down.
- Rate of fire
- Power of the round
- Practicality and availability
- How "scary" it looks (check California firearm legislation for a good idea of what makes a "scary" gun)
>> No. 17791
Thank you all for all of your input. I'm making notes and decisions.

Some of you have asked for some back ground on the characters to help you narrow down a good weapon. So here's a bit of background/basics for the story. Sci-fi

The main character is a martial artist and outdoors-man who is kidnapped by a secret government organization because his unique genetic make up makes him a candidate for a series of experiments in different gene manipulation/splicing. When the program is destroyed, because the public found out about it, he manages to escape, although altered significantly. While escaping he finds out about a hidey-hole base the organization has stocked but currently unused. He realizes that the government won't leave him alone, so he takes a few friends and decides to raid this hidey-hole base for supplies and go underground. The base is stocked, but only appears unused as it is a cover for another group of experiments. While raiding the base they are attacked by the organization disrupting one of the experiments and throwing the main character, his friends and a few others, along with the base and equipment back in time to the 1800s. The kids are two kids he saves from a farm that is being raided by bandits in the 1800s, and takes them with him. If it matters, the main character is black, one of his friends is hispanic, one white, the children are twins, a boy and girl am trying to decide whether the kids will be hispanic or black at this point. As you can probably guess, a modern black man in the 1800s, there will be a lot of shooting in this story.
As I stated before anything that could be expected to possibly be on a military base is feasible, plus some personal weapons. Ammunition wouldn't be to much of a problem as there would be ammunition for everything there and the running of a decent sized base and only a few people to use all of it.
Hope this answers the questions, but if there are more just ask and I will try to answer them.
>> No. 17794
I'll just say a few quick things, here.

>What difference, if any, would rifling a shotgun barrel make?

Rifled shotguns are used to shoot slugs. Slugs can be shot from non-rifled shotguns, but they're more effective in a rifled shotgun. Most shotguns aren't rifled because rifling makes the shot spread out a lot more (see Taurus Judge, although not a shotgun). However, most slugs are rifled, as in the slug itself is rifled to cause it to spin in an unrifled barrel, therefore increasing accuracy. Those types of slugs cannot be used in a rifled shotgun, because it would fuck up the barrel. Unrifled slugs are to be used in rifled shotguns. I would probably never get a rifled shotgun because one of the main draws to a shotgun is it's versatility, and rifling pretty much gimps that. An example use of slugs would be: bear hunting, or hunting some other big game. I'm unsure of the maximum effective range of a rifled 3" 12ga because I haven't come across someone who has one, yet. But 00 buck in a 3" 12ga has about a 4" spread at 100 yards.

>Fully automatic machine gun.

"Fully automatic" is unnecessary when referring to machine guns, as they're all fully automatic. And PLEASE do not call an AK-47 a machine gun, as it is not. A machine gun would be the M2 Browning, or M249 SAW.
>> No. 17798
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17798
>>17794

The only reason rifled shotguns exist is that there are states which limit hunting to "shotguns only" meaning a rifle is not legally available for use. It's a way to work around a shitty law made by idiots.

OP - If all the weapons are being pulled from a UN/US military stockpile, then the typical anti-personnel sniper rifle would be a Remmington 700, specifically the military version, the M24 SWS (latest variant pictured.) Since you're looking for max range and variable ammo though, you'll more likely want the Barret M82 or M95 Anti-materiel rifle. It's made for putting holes in lightly armored vehicles and has a tremendous range. Because it's chambered in .50 BMG, it has a number of specific bullet options, up to and including armor-piercing-exploding-incendiary (APEI) rounds. Most other guns only shoot different hunks of metal. Since the .50BMG round was used for killing vehicles, it comes in flavors other than vanilla. If you want real wacky ammo variation though, you need a shotgun.

For the big guy with the big pistol, there's always the Ruger Super Redhawk. It's an idiotically big revolver. Shoots through schools. If the guy's using a military-issue weapon though, best you'll do is a Colt 1911. No one issues hand-cannons.

For the kids, I would say a FN Five seveN pistol, since that's currently posed to be the new UN standard as well. It's also easy enough to shoot, though the grip might be over-sized for youngins. Bullets are small, but with a solid bit of power behind them, also, comes with a 20 or 30 round capacity, so it's quite the threat.

The AA-12 is fully automatic, but it doesn't have to be fired at those rates. There are a large number of 12-gage shotgun rounds which have specific purposes. read wikipedia here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotgun#Specialty_ammunition
The Frag-12 shells are the thing that everybody has been pissing themselves over for the past few years.

A solid, easy to transport Assault rifle that you'd find in a UN/US stockpile would the the M4A1 carbine. Chamber it in 6.8 SPC for giggles.

If you need a real, portable, machine gun, the M249 SPW would do you best. It can't sustain constant fire for too long without the barrel warping from the heat, but it's light, easy to clean/maintain and its ammo won't weigh a ton either.
>> No. 17823
>>17798
Thank you. The Barret sounds like what I'm looking for in this situation, along with the FN pistol for the kids. The Super Redhawk sounds interesting too. Thank you also for the links to the different info on shotguns and ammo.

Now I have some questions on other ordinance. I saw some things on the M18 Claymore Mine, are there any of these that shoot anything besides the little metal balls? What other mines might be stocked by a military base. One thing I do want to point out is that this is a 'military' base, it isn't an official US ARMY base. Many of the things would be similar/same, but creative license will allow a bit of believable variance since it isn't official anyway.

Here's another question, for you thinkers out there, I'm thinking about having one of the characters carrying a Lupara as a back up weapon in an over the shoulder holster. If you had a Lupara, what type of shell would keep loaded, ready to go? Would you have both barrels one kind of shell or a different one in each? Why?
>> No. 17829
>>17823

The Lupara is a double barrelled shotgun, cut down to about 12" or so. No choke, so shot spread is huge. I'd go with one in either 10 or 12 gauge with external hammers, 00 buck in both. Just for fun you can have this character modify the shells with some specialty rounds of his own, say like fletchette (steel darts) rounds.
>> No. 17830
>>17823
Claymores are just that, mines spitting out steel balls. Other anti personnel types would be "bouncing betty", this type of ordnance gets launched up to about waist to chest height before exploding, launching shrapnel in a 360 degree pattern. The Germans invented it and named it "Schrapnellmine". The more modern equivalent is the SMi-35m the American version is the M16A2 Bounding Mine. These can be triggered by trip wire or pressure fuse on the mine itself.
>> No. 17864
>>17823

Russia and China both have designed mines similar to the Claymore, as have some other states. One of the Russian designs is about twice as big as a claymore, but I'm not sure if that model was ever produces in large numbers. Most claymore-like land mines are similar in size and lethality.


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