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18155 No. 18155 Locked Stickied hide quickreply [Reply]
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18266 No. 18266 hide quickreply [Reply]
I'm arguing with my friend whether a tank can have wheels or not and what makes a tank a tank.

He's saying in order for a tank to be a tank it has to have a tracked chassis as the main determining factor.

I say it just determines on what its role is. As in a bulky armored vehicle.

I suppose this also goes into the argument of what differentiates a tank from an APC.

Also if a tank is simply determined by treads what about future prototype tanks that only have legs?

Tanks clearly can have more than just treads in my opinion but I suppose i'll let you guys argue about it.

http://www.strawpoll.me/12300143/ (embed)

Here's the strawpoll.
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17802 No. 17802 hide expand quickreply [Reply]
post the weapond you have on you pretty much 24/7 or the weapond you wish you had on you 24/7 has to be able to be consealed under a sport jacket
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>> No. 18052
Actually I did answer his question. I said I was unsure whether a straight baton/stick was illegal, but I KNOW that whip batons are illegal. Interestingly, a straight baton may or may not be illegal, but I can carry a hardwood cane, or I just saw a polypropylene cane with a mace-head grip, that is perfectly legal to carry. LOL There are loopholes if you're willing to look for them.
>> No. 18067
I know that "leaded canes" and "billy clubs" are the only sticks in CA that are specifically illegal. So I'm certain that, according to CA law, "whip batons" are never mentioned. But I'm also certain that as cops see it "billy club" means everything from a newly-fallen branch to a collapsible metal baton.

But did we really need to specifically mention fucking lipstick knives? Who in the fuck has ever even had a ballistic knife except for the Punisher? Yeah, that belt buckle knife epidemic of '96 was terrible, wasn't it? And the shobi-zue massacres of '02? Grisly.

>polypropylene cane with a mace-head grip
They might call that a leaded cane, but the law does specifically say that "a "leaded cane" means a staff, crutch, stick, rod, pole, or similar device, unnaturally weighted with lead". So if it's not lead you are possibly ok in CA.
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mah fave
>> No. 18249
The design is misleading though. No one reads the manual. They look like knuckle dusters, and we've all seen electrified knuckle dusters in Sci-Fi and Anime flicks. People will use them as an electrified knuckle duster.

It's stupid of the company producing them to think otherwise. They don't have to make them strong enough to crack a skull, but they should be able to hit someone a couple of times; or hit a couple of people, without breaking.
>> No. 18264
I carry one of these slingshot with some ammo.

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18261 No. 18261 hide quickreply [Reply]

It's like you guys don't even...

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18243 No. 18243 hide quickreply [Reply]
Somebody at 4chan /k/ put together a ~300gb mega torrent of gunsmithing, weapons training, explosives, 3D printed gun files, field manuals, etc. I thought you guys might enjoy it.

torrent file found here: https://thepiratebay.se/torrent/13561569

magnet link found here: http://pastebin.com/uF0NV5Nf

This contains everything from the Do/k/ument plus 8-9 times more information.

Examples include:
-Every AGI video
-All the Magpul vids
-Every US and Canadian field manual
-Every 3D gun file imaginable
-Every gun manual imaginable
-reloading software
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>> No. 18244
You mean the do/k/ument? Aren't there already like 6 different versions of it?

Shit is awesome either way.
>> No. 18259
Last time I checked, they still had not brought everything in from the Mega Folder.

Caveat Emptor

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18257 No. 18257 hide quickreply [Reply]
Which countries SKS' are the best?
>> No. 18258


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18227 No. 18227 hide expand quickreply [Reply]
Hello fellows.

I am pursuing, for my first rifle build, an AK-47 underfolder. I know, I know. I should have just bought one ready made or gone for an AR-15. Not what I wanted to do. I like the craftsmanship aspect of this project. I have a lovely Polish kit and have ordered all my parts except the barrel. I know how it all fits together and what I need to accomplish for assembly, but there are a couple issues I'm going to have.

I live in an apartment, so no hydraulic press or welding equipment here, but there are dudes in caves in Afghanistan building these things so I know it's possible. I'll be populating and pressing the barrel using sections of pipe, a length of all thread, and some washers and bolts. I'll be installing the trigger guard using two pieces of channel iron as a sort of stand and just hammering against the rivet backs.

Where I am running into trouble is the front and rear trunion. They both use short rivets, which means I need my bucking bar to be inside the trunion. So basically my idea (see attached) is to put the rivet face down in a divot drilled on an aluminum plate, use a square bolt (with the face pressing on the rivet back) balanced on a stack of pennies or something as my bucking bar, and hammer away. This approach will work with the constant pressure from a press, but I don't know if the hammer will have the same effect or if I will just end up denting the inside of the trunion to shit as the hammer strikes bounce the bolt around.

The other option, which I am less enthusiastic about, follows this guide: http://www.akparts.com/akinfo7.html. Or at least what I can extract from it; it's not very well written. Same approach as above, except you heat up the shank with a torch until it's red hot and squish it against your bucking bar (square bolt in my case). I just wonder if this would affect the integrity of the rivets, and if I would end up getting my bolt stuck on a rivet and have to drill it out.

I know there's a bolt cutter conversion for rivet pressing, but I'd like to avoid spending the $70 for something i"d use once, maybe twice.
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>> No. 18238
I guess it's time for an update. All was going well until I installed the front sight. It was a BITCH getting it on. I finally developed an effective setup using the barrel press tool, washers, and a small length of pipe, that got it really moving. I was checking the alignment and noticed that something wasn't quite right. I had installed it backwards.

I have now spent the better part of a week hammering at it and using a gear puller and various other setups to try and remove it. It's too tight for hammering to be effective with my tiny vise, and the gear puller couldn't grip it. I saw a promising setup here: http://www.theakforum.net/forums/41-dragunov-fpk-psl/180980-removing-installing-front-sight-block-tigr-svd.html, so I bought the tie rod puller, but the washers I had on hand just bent. Going out today to see if I can find some meatier washers. If this fails I've found sights for around $25, so I'll just cut the old one off.

Also, at some point I damaged the threads on the front of the barrel. I think it happened while I was trying to press the front sight on. I'm going to try and clean them up with a small file when the sight block is finally on.
>> No. 18239
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OK, so like the guy said in the link above, a thick grade 8 washer did the trick. The only tools I needed were a dremel and a wrench. I was able to use a 9/16" washer, but had to grind two edges flat to make it fit the puller, and open up the inside just a hair.

I picked up some new materials. I got a 3mm end mill and reamer (for drilling gas block and front sight), a 4mm end mill and reamer (for drilling rear sight block), and a big can of "Extreme Pressure Red Grease" ($7 at auto parts store). It has been much easier to work with than the white lithium grease.

Once the sight block was off I did some sanding on the barrel because it had gotten pretty fucked up. The front sight pressed back on easily. I cleaned up the barrel threads with a small file and was able to screw the muzzle brake all the way down.

Today I spent a few hours drilling and reaming the barrel and pinning everything on. I went slow, used cutting oil, and put aluminum tape over all my bits, and when I was finished I had avoided egging any of the holes. I used a small punch and a pipe cleaner to clean up the holes, as they were too small for emory cloth. I lightly sanded all the pins and rubbed some red grease on them. With a little help from a punch they all popped right into place.

Up this week: Riveting the rear trunnion and trigger guard.
>> No. 18242
The rear trunnion is installed. I peened my first rivet, the long rivet that goes all the way through the rear trunnion. It doesn't look that bad.

Ran into a snafu with the trigger guard. I thought the rivets would be much easier to crush. Some guy posted on a forum that he used a pipe clamp to crush his rivets, but I can't get enough torque on the screw without losing my grip on the pipe. I think he is a liar. I have a plan to get it done but it's going to require several hours work with the dremel and drill and I haven't had the time to work on it yet. I didn't expect all these rivets to be such ass pains and I understand now why a press and jig are so highly recommended.
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My plan was to use a pair of channel iron lengths like in the picture, but I found that you really need a bench vise to make it work. Otherwise it just bounces all over the place when you hit a rivet. I don't have a bench vise or anywhere to put it.

I am going away for a few months, and when I get back I'm going to order the trigger guard installation tool from toth tools to finish this bitch up.
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Fuuucking finally.

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17838 No. 17838 hide expand quickreply [Reply]
How do you guys feel about Rex Kwon Do? I think it's pretty legit, it seems to incorporate a good defense system as the base of the attacks.
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>> No. 18039
Depends on your goal, really. In my experience, Wing Chun is perfect for stopping a fight before it gets too serious while avoiding injury to yourself. Offensively, stuff like Pak does well enough in a pinch, but the system wasn't really developed for use against people who know what they're doing.
>> No. 18042
Oh this is gonna be good...

please go on.
>> No. 18165
To the fool that thinks that Krav Maga is over rated should find out which martial arts style is being taught in the Israeli special forces and Mossad also Along with Hwarang Do, Krav Maga was taught to Army special forces operators in the 70's. You don't understand.
>> No. 18245
I'm Rex, founder of the Rex Kwan Do self-defense system! After one week with me in my dojo, you'll be prepared to defend yourself with the STRENGTH of a grizzly, the reflexes of a PUMA, and the wisdom of a man.
>> No. 18247

Your wife has small bosoms.

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18174 No. 18174 hide expand quickreply [Reply]
Picked up this baby today..
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I'm pretty jelly, but how come you didn't go with the Canik55 Shark FC? Alloy frame, factory compensated, and costs less.
>> No. 18178
Because to my knowledge they don't make a semi-compact one in .45 ACP. Also, this one was 150 below every price I've ever seen online for the same.
>> No. 18180
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Good purchase. I have an AR24k and I love it. As designs go, very little beats the CZ75 basic format as a great platform for manufacturers to put their mark on.
>> No. 18220
Ohhhh shit Gravy got himself a Jericho! Lucky bastard....
>> No. 18233
Hey present do you have your thread from /regs/ saved where you posted pictures about the hospital you worked at? I wanna have that

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17538 No. 17538 hide quickreply [Reply]
I have come across a Grendel P30 thanks to a friend of a friend. Went into the woods to test it, and it functions well enough.
What I like about it is that, even though it uses small rounds (.22 WMR), it holds a whopping 30 rounds in a single magazine.

Any thoughts? I've never even heard of this thing before, so I'm not sure what kind of performance I should be expecting, or looking forward to.
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Congrats OP, you've found a rare and fascinating weapon. The Grendel P30 is the spiritual predecessor of the Kel-Tec PMR30. Even if the performance is a little wonky, it will have pretty good collector's value.
>> No. 17554
Did you find the grip a bit fat, or did it fit your hand well enough?
>> No. 17582
Comfortable. Most handguns feel a bit small to me, this one not so much.
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18222 No. 18222 hide quickreply [Reply]
Men of war
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18179 No. 18179 hide quickreply [Reply]
Is joining the Australian Defence Force a socially responsible action?

How can I know?

Do you think it will be fulfilling?

I think in retrospect it will feel as good as it does it prospect - the challenges and the difficulties and the skills that I learn. But during it will be unpleasant. I also fear how people with military experience have antisocial tendencies - like the veteran who once spazzed out at me in a food line for no apparent reason.

I think it will make me more confident though, through the leadership experience of being an officer, having access to intelligence information and knowing just how physically secure I am, right?
>> No. 18221
Amerifag vet here so I can't speak for the ADF but our service seems to have the same problems. Veterans have problems with relationships, drinking and jobs.

Confidence in myself is solid, I know how far I can run and how high I can jump. I fear no physical combatant and find myself being much more aware of the world around me than most non military.

I drank for a whole year when I got back from my tour and I've had other substance abuse issues even after getting a handle on drinking. I really didn't even see anything to bad either, comparatively. What I have seen though separates me from most of my peers. I've been at parties where people wonder aloud what it's like to see a dead body. I know. I'm not saying that to be dramatic but it's that for every aspect of military life from knowing that 5.56 buzzes and a 7.62 cracks as they fly past your head. Once you see it you can't unsee basically.

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18209 No. 18209 hide expand quickreply [Reply]
So once in a while I try to find anything about what can/can't be carried/owned in California. As far as I have been able to find, CA law does not mention collapsible batons being restricted. The only law that I've seen or heard someone use to say batons are illegal is the mention of "billy" clubs (see pic) in the CA Penal Code 16590 which mentions 22210. There is also a part (CA PC 22295) that says that security guards can have a club or baton, but nowhere does it mention that they are prohibited. However, I found a NY case where they specifically say that a collapsible baton is not a billy club.
My question is: Do you think that this means batons are technically legal in CA? I know, plenty of law folks get pissy and try to push their own definitions/rules. I'm just asking about the technicality of it.


"In People v. Talbert, 107 AD2d 842 (3 Dept 1985) the court examined the question of what qualifies as a billy club. . . . "In our view, based on the manner in which the statute is set forth, the term 'billy' must be strictly interpreted to mean a heavy wooden stick with a handle grip which, from its appearance, is designed to be used to strike an individual and not for other lawful purposes."
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If we're going to go back into the etymology of the word (of which I was aware but good on you), then there is very strong evidence that it applies specifically to clubs given to law enforcement personnel. From what I've found now and before, "billy club" originated from the clubs used by a "Billy" referring to the law enforcers of the time who worked under King William IV, hence the moniker. Such clubs were not just weapons, but were also specifically used as a badge of office as well. The image of a billy club is still so strongly associated with police that even kids know what a billy looks like and who has it.

A few years ago, the relevant law was CA Penal code 12020. I need to verify, but that seems to have been replaced with the codes I linked earlier. So if we do assume that billy was a generic term at the time of the law-writing (the last few years), it still has to mean a smallish carven-handled wooden club used by police. Considering the fact that they listed numerous specific weapon names, going so far as to include sap and blackjack, it looks like they do acknowledge the specificity of naming which would mean that if a baton were illegal to carry, it should be unambiguously listed as such. If given a baton and a billy, I think that most people would name them differently; but I doubt that most people would know the difference between sap and blackjack.

Check out italicized paragraph under the picture "Constables did not begin wearing uniforms until 1829 or carrying warrant cards until the 1880s"


Fun side-fact: Silly-billy may have maybe also come from King William IV himself. Or a cousin or something. "Who is silly billy now?"
>> No. 18214
Not sure if you noticed, but the etymology link you linked says that billy club didn't mean crowbar literally:
"originally burglars' slang for "crowbar;" meaning "policeman's club"
>> No. 18216
Dude, the California Penal code was written in 1872, not the last few years. Each time it's edited (which is whenever a bunch of lawyers are uncomfortable with their job security) the revision date is noted as the date of the law since only the latest version is at all relevant. The language of that section, and thus the definition of "billy," dates from at least 1872.

Do you know the difference between a comma and a semicolon?
>> No. 18217

I'm not attacking you there, just pointing things out. Since grammar is very important when examining law, let's look closely at the semicolon for practice. It is being used in one of two ways. Either it is joining the "slang" and "meaning" parts together like this: "originally burglars' slang for "crowbar;" meaning "policeman's club"" or it is being used as a part of a list as a sort of "greater comma" like this: "Here are three examples of familiar sequences: one, two, and three; a, b, and c; first, second, and third." If it is the second, then it is not related to burglars' slang, and it is readable as: "club, 1848, American English, meaning "policeman's club"". Either way you look at it, it does mean "policeman's club". So to answer your question: yes, I know the difference between a semicolon and a comma, now you do too. Now take a breath and relax. I'm not out to get you. If you have anything to prove your point I would like to see it. I can't really put it any more politely.

Yes, the CA penal code was adopted in 1872, but it was updated in the last 5-10 years. Because it was updated, we can look at the latest revision as applicable "since only the latest version is at all relevant". In the latest version (as I pointed out earlier) we know that the law is very specific in scope because the difference between a sap and a blackjack is not big, but it makes that distinction regardless. It even goes so far as to include both "sandclub" and "sandbag" both of which are obviously quite similar. The sand ones are more similar that "billy" and "collapsible baton", thus one can only infer that they intentionally left out the batons.
Additionally, for it to be banned by the CA penal code, a collapsible baton must be an "instrument or weapon of the kind commonly known as a billy, blackjack, sandbag, sandclub, sap, or slungshot". This means that the club part is not the important part, but the "billy". And as the historical data shows, the law has changed in innumerable ways, but the popular and even the legal definition of "billy" in this context is and has been clearly and strongly defined for centuries. As I said earlier, it is so strongly ingrained into popular knowledge that it is part of halloween costumes even for kids (see earlier img). Ergo, vis a vis, concordantly, quid pro quo, Clarice, the definition does not cover collapsible batons because the law simply does not mention them.

A baseball bat is not a billy, a tire iron is not a billy, a nunchuk is not a billy, a tree branch is not a billy, a chair leg is not a billy. Why, then, do you think that a collapsible baton is? If they meant weapon, then they could just have put "blunt, striking weapon", but they didn't.
>> No. 18219
With all that said, are there weapons that are totally legit legal to carry? The CA code doesn't have the "bludgeoning instrument" (or whatever) part that the NY code does. If nothing else I would think that a walking stick should be fine. Someone involved in law once told me that just having a bat or similar in your car is proof that you are going to commit a crime. But I don't have proof either way.

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17684 No. 17684 hide expand quickreply [Reply]
WHERE can I OWN and PRACTICE firing assault weapons CHEAPLY?

I live in CA. The closer the better. (Idaho?) I am hoping to find a nigger or faggot or person that will keep/use my weapon while I am here in CA.

I am talking about full auto AK-74 and SCAR stuff. Silencers if possibly. I want to actually qualify for the militia for which I am liable by law.
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>> No. 18004
OP means Assault Rifles not assault weapons... Masshole here and you are talking bout class 3 firearms. To be clear an assault weapon is Semi only and has things such as an adjustable stock and/or pistol grip and or vertical grip, and things of that nature. The term Assault Weapon was purposely invented to trick people into thinking guns like a semi only ar15 are full auto and only for the army/etc bullshit excuses to ban shit.
ANYTHING full auto OR with a supresser is banned NATIONWIDE unless it is owed by someone with a class 3.

TLDR To own full auto/silencer u need to bend over and take it from the ATF no matter what state you are in, and assault weapons are NOT what you are talking about.
>> No. 18007
>I am talking about full auto AK-74 and SCAR stuff. Silencers if possibly.

i dont want to start a flame war or anything.
>> No. 18168
But of corse you know that a Class III Federal Firearms license is required before you can legally own a "AK-&4 and SCAR stuff" when you do that you can go to any one of the 100 ranges around LA that allow Full Auto weapins. To belong to a militia all you have to do is find a bunch of fools that have shot them selves in the head too many times
>> No. 18181

You can indeed get body armor in California.
>> No. 18215
Here is the information you seek.

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18160 No. 18160 hide quickreply [Reply]
Who else thinks that Bushido is the proper code of conduct for a warrior to live his life?
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>> No. 18173
There's no greater danger than playing it safe.
>> No. 18199
“The first step toward success is taken when you refuse to be a captive of the environment in which you find yourself.”– -Mark Caine

That includes codes of honour. The true warrior does not live his life by the descriptions of mere languages, let alone ''codes''.
>> No. 18204
I think the warrior monks have a better approach. They keep their cool under amy circumstances. The samurai kill themselves over the least bit of shame.

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18212 No. 18212 hide quickreply [Reply]

Pay attention, hombres. This boy's got somethin' to say.

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18201 No. 18201 hide quickreply [Reply]
LehrBtl HOS II PzGrenBtl 173
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18138 No. 18138 hide quickreply [Reply]
How viable is body building, ie. enormous raw strength, for fighting?

What is the result if you are both a body builder and a practitioner of a martial art?
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>What is the result if you are both a body builder and a practitioner of a martial art?
Probably something like this.

Keep in mind bodybuilding =/= "enormous raw strength training." Most of the record holders for weightlifting don't look at all like bodybuilders, generally because they aren't. Strength training is great for martial arts. Bodybuilding, not so much because of the inherent focus on aesthetics and the cyclical nature of the bulk and cut phases towards that end.
>> No. 18200
More strength is always better. The main problem is time. Professional fighters don't necessarily have the time to bulk up as much as they want to. There's only 24 hours in a day.
>> No. 18203
Raw strength and body building are not synonymous.

As a jujutsuka, I can tell you that the bigger a guy's muscles are, without a proportional increase to his weight or strength, means I can deliver a muscle compressing attack that will cause him more pain. Also, a bigger body is less able to slither around.

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18183 No. 18183 hide expand quickreply [Reply]
Not sure if this should go in /sfcsp/ instead, since I will accept fictional designs, but I thought it would be cool if there was a vehicle schematic thread. I've mostly got warships right now. A lot of never-weres. Very interesting!

I'll start with one of the more unusual proposals - the German Grossflugzeugkreuzers, colossal hybrid aircraft carriers/battleships designed with commerce raiding in mind. They were designed to sink merchant marine ships while laying down air support to counter enemy patrols.
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A colossal "cruiser submarine" that ultimately was never built.

Two even more ambitious proposals existed, but information on them is scarce at the moment.
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A "flight deck cruiser" combining light cruiser sized armament with 36 scout-bombers.

I guess KanColle should rename their CAVs to CFs, huh.
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A cruiser-killer requirement that ultimately led to the Alaska class also yielded this unused proposal based on an Iowa hull.
>> No. 18197
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Possibly the ultimate battleship proposed in the United States navy, this fast Montana also boasted an insanely high shaft horsepower only obtainable through a return to turbo-electric drive. Ultimately the proposal was deemed so ambitious it was felt that it should make up the Montana's never-were successor, and development was indefinitely halted.
>> No. 18198
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Apparently Des Moines and Worcester would've had a nice little sister in the form of the abortive CL-154.

The power of fully automatic loading was phenomenal when first developed. In particular I have special respect for the 8"/55RFs used on Des Moines.

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18146 No. 18146 hide quickreply [Reply]
I would posit that a batallion of ancient balearic slingers has superior range and firing rate to an 18th century musket infantry. They even used lead bullets.

What caused the decline of the sling in warfare?
>> No. 18147
Bunch of slack jawed faggots decided it was easier to use guns.
>> No. 18150
It seems to me that the sling has many advantages over the bow that were attributed to firearms. Easier to train and easier to maintain. If your sling breaks you just fashion a new one. A good bow could take weeks and weeks of bending and curing. Not to mention archery is highly skill dependent. As long as there are small rocks around, a slinger will not run out of ammunition, an archer is going to have 30 - 60 shots max.

Slings with metal bullets were known to have extreme velocity and penetrating power, I'd guess they just couldn't get through plate armor. That reasoning hasn't been valid for a few hundred years now.

As far as modern weapons go, a sling is perfect for concealed carry, and both silent and accurate. You could literally keep the whole thing in your pocket, and even if you were stopped by the cops it is unlikely they would recognize it as a weapon, you could say it was lingerie. You don't even need to carry ammunition if there are rocks around, which there always are in urban areas with degrading cement.

I'm not saying you would just whip it out during a close confrontation, but if the guy runs off with your wallet you could nail him in the backside at 50 yards.
>> No. 18156
>>18154 A sling only really takes a few seconds to get up to speed, maybe 5-10 at the most if you're really trying to hurl the thing... the accuracy issue is a real concern, but with training presumably it dissipates.
>> No. 18182
Worst comes to worse, you can hit someone over the side of the head with it. The centripetal force generated on a medium sized stone in a leather mace is not to be discounted. In extremity, the rocks can also be thrown.

Also, all slingers would have carried daggers of some sort. So a sling isn't a game changer like a gun, it's part of a balanced fighting style.

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