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17747 No. 17747
Welp. Went to the range today. Got about 3 shots off until my AR began to FTE. Field stripped her and what do I find? The extractor spring disintegrated. Single shot AR is no fun.

I guess this is my punishment for not having a field repair kit. On the other hand I had a great time with my P226. Thought you guys would understand.
>> No. 17748
I rolled up a section of rubber band to use in place of the extractor spring. The extractor feels much stiffer than it was before. I think it should get me through a hundred rounds or so at the range tomorrow.

Let's see how this goes shall we?
>> No. 17749
>>17748

It works. Rather well. I am quite please with myself. I feel like fucking MacGyver.
>> No. 17750
In before AK fanboys proclaiming this as an example of their platform's superiority.
shoulda got a FAL instead
>> No. 17752
>>17750

I'm not really surprised it broke. I've put around 10,000 rounds through the gun at this point. Things wear out. As for the AR vs AK debate that shit is not comparable. They are two different guns that fill two different roles. Apples and oranges my friend, apples and oranges.

Opchan has an interesting discussion of DI vs Piston reliability actually.

http://operatorchan.org/k/res/315936.html

>implying that small parts don't break on any gun
>> No. 17754
>>17752
Agreed. I'd be fine with a DI in anything but extremely dusty conditions where sand gets in everything.
[spoilers]Like Iraq.[/spoilers]
>> No. 17755
>>17754

I'm just going to leave this here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8SSQ_wIG4o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9y8lX1fmes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MA1IFKwdAQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etEgTlozYIc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9CNbxArMZo
>> No. 17756
>>17755
Don't get me wrong man, I'm not saying it's going to seize up just anywhere. The AR is plenty reliable for most environs, but the dust in the Middle East is the stuff of legends when it comes to getting everywhere, all the time.
Those vids were shot in the US.
>> No. 17758
>>17756

Explain to me why you think an DI gun is less reliable than a piston gun in super sandy environments? In your own words please.
>> No. 17759
>>17758
Honestly, I don't know what factor or combination of factors make the design worse in dust. And though largely overblown, it is an issue- with the Colt-made, mil-spec rifles. Not necessarily all DI guns.
Army dust tests put their current M4s consistently and dramatically less dust-resistant than newer and more pricy piston stuff.
Iraq was a perfect (dust) storm, and unless the Army decides to start a campaign in the Kalahari, it doesn't really warrant replacement until the cost comes down.
>> No. 17762
>>17759

I would consider it a factor of the 2,500 HK416 and SCAR-L expense and build quality than anything else. I get the impression that a Noveske N4 would keep up with the aforementioned rifles just as well.

My argument for why the piston fad is bullshit is this: You don't remove carbon build up. You simply move it from one place to another at the price of a sharper recoil. Carbon is still going to build up around the piston and in the breech no matter what you do. Guns like the G-3 can be incredibly difficult to clean and have residue buildup where many armchair commandos would argue that there should be none.

tl;dr: all guns shit themselves. All that changes is where they shit themselves. They all need to be cleaned and maintained.

The cleaning instructions for the almighty reliable AK-47 translated from the Russian Manual:

"The weapon is cleaned at the following times:
Daily if in combat, on maneuvers or extensive training in field.
Immediately after detail or training.
Immediately after firing service or blank ammunition. The weapon must be cleaned immediately after firing using alkali solution, and the gun grease must be applied to bore, gas cylinder, gas cylinder tube, piston and bolt.
The weapon must be cleaned upon returning to the unit, and cleaned the following three or four days.
The weapon must be cleaned not less than once every seven days if not in use."
>> No. 17776
>>17762
>I would consider it a factor of the 2,500 HK416 and SCAR-L expense and build quality than anything else.

Agreed. But I hardly think piston guns (other than AR variants) are a "fad".
I also get the feeling that manual was more to instill discipline and give bored conscripts something productive to do than anything else, not that it isn't a good idea.
>> No. 17777
>>17776

Go to any CAWADOOTY forum or airshit forum and you will hear the usual: OMG DI SUCKS PISTON ROOLZ. Among other people generally believing that every gun should have a short stroke piston whether or not they have any understanding of how either work.

Hence my word choice of fad. On top of Almost every major gun manufacturer releasing some sort of AR proprietary piston bullshit.


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