I broke down and bought the bolt cutter and rivet crusher jaws. I'm trying not to get the cops called on a noise violation so I want to minimize the amount of pounding I'm doing. Plus I recently relearned the value of having the proper tools in an unrelated project. For anyone remotely interested, here is a list of all the tools that are going into this project:

For receiver work:
5/32 cobalt bit (rivets)
17/64 cobalt bit for swell neck rivets and to dimple my "rivet punch"
11/64 cobalt bit (rear trunnion long rivet)
3mm cobalt bit (front sight pins)
7mm HSS reamer (barrel pin)
1/4" HSS endmill (barrel pin)
Dremel (I got a $20 WEN from Amazon; make sure you get one with grinding discs and diamond tipped bits grinding bits)
Dremel carbon steel polishing brush (I bought this for surface prep. Do not buy it. It didn't even mar the paint on my old polish kit. Used Scotchbrite pads and had great success.)
Dremel tungsten carbide cutting attachment
Brass/Steel Punch Set
Steel center punch
General purpose metal file

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After many days of work hunched over on my cardboard-covered balcony (I only put maybe an hour a day into this), the receiver is drilled. Most of that time was spend opening up the holes for the underfolder stock.

I transferred hole positions from the trunnions to the receiver with masking tape, center punched all the holes, drilled pilot holes with my 3mm bit, then opened the holes with a 5/32" or 11/64" bit as appropriate. Had a couple improperly located holes, but more on that in the next post.

I drilled out the big holes for the stock with the 17/64 bit and the smaller holes to the side with 11/64, then finished them out with a dremel tungsten carbide cutting bit. It was a gigantic pain in the ass.

Lesson learned: If you're building a sidefolder or underfolder, spend a little extra to get a properly cut receiver.

In this picture, you can clearly see that I fucked up the right-side front trunnion holes. I drilled my pilot holes, and then instead of checking them against the trunnion, opened them up. Sooo you can see they were kind of off. The forward-most and rear-most are OK, as the rivets will fill in as they deform, but that middle hole ended up way too big.

I corrected from the original hole by inserting the trunnion and using it as a jig to drill through from the left hand side. I cut a small slice off a tootsie roll pop stick (same diameter as the rivet) and secured it in the hole in the proper position with masking tape, then applied JB Weld with a toothpick to fill in the gap. After the gun is finished you won't see any hint of the JB Weld.

After this fiasco I was more careful. Some of my pilot holes for the rear trunnion were off, but I figured out a pretty easy way to correct them. I inserted the rear trunnion and eyeballed which direction the hole needed to go. So let's say my pilot hole was left of where it needed to be; I would need to open it up to the right. I scratched the rough appropriate diameter into the receiver with my center punch. Now I had a small drilled hole located somewhere inside of a larger circle. Using the dremel and round diamond-tipped bit, I carefully ground down maybe 1/32" around the circle I had scratched in. This allowed me to center my 5/32" bit over the proper location, instead of in the off-center pilot hole. Doing it this way required only some minor finishing touches with the dremel cutting bit and no more JB Weld.

Tomorrow I plan to rivet the front trunnion to the receiver. After that I will press and pin the barrel, then populate the barrel and paint the whole mess before assembling the stock. I suspect the barrel will be the biggest pain in the ass of this entire experience.

So, a couple days behind schedule but I got around to the barrel today. This is my ghetto ass set up. I had 4 stacked zinc washers and they deformed and popped through the rear, so I slid the old bolt cutter jaws on to reinforce them.

In retrospect, I should have installed the barrel before touching the rear of the receiver...

So this is what happens when you try to put the barrel in using the receiver as your stop. I was able to bend it back into place with pliers, but now I know.

On a different note, the barrel is stuck hard about 1/4" from where it needs to be. I bend fucking grade 8 threaded rod trying to move it and it did not budge. No luck getting it to move back out either. I should have cleaned up the inside of the front trunnion with some emory cloth before I went to down but it looked good to me. Ordering another $90 worth of specialty tools to try and work it in. If this fails I'm going to abandon this particular project and sell what I've got on gunbroker, then save a few bucks for a headspaced kit.

I'm pretty jelly, but how come you didn't go with the Canik55 Shark FC? Alloy frame, factory compensated, and costs less.

Because to my knowledge they don't make a semi-compact one in .45 ACP. Also, this one was 150 below every price I've ever seen online for the same.

Good purchase. I have an AR24k and I love it. As designs go, very little beats the CZ75 basic format as a great platform for manufacturers to put their mark on.

Ohhhh shit Gravy got himself a Jericho! Lucky bastard....

>>18220
Hey present do you have your thread from /regs/ saved where you posted pictures about the hospital you worked at? I wanna have that

Congrats OP, you've found a rare and fascinating weapon. The Grendel P30 is the spiritual predecessor of the Kel-Tec PMR30. Even if the performance is a little wonky, it will have pretty good collector's value.

Did you find the grip a bit fat, or did it fit your hand well enough?

>>17554
Comfortable. Most handguns feel a bit small to me, this one not so much.

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Amerifag vet here so I can't speak for the ADF but our service seems to have the same problems. Veterans have problems with relationships, drinking and jobs.

Pro;
Confidence in myself is solid, I know how far I can run and how high I can jump. I fear no physical combatant and find myself being much more aware of the world around me than most non military.

Con;
I drank for a whole year when I got back from my tour and I've had other substance abuse issues even after getting a handle on drinking. I really didn't even see anything to bad either, comparatively. What I have seen though separates me from most of my peers. I've been at parties where people wonder aloud what it's like to see a dead body. I know. I'm not saying that to be dramatic but it's that for every aspect of military life from knowing that 5.56 buzzes and a 7.62 cracks as they fly past your head. Once you see it you can't unsee basically.

If we're going to go back into the etymology of the word (of which I was aware but good on you), then there is very strong evidence that it applies specifically to clubs given to law enforcement personnel. From what I've found now and before, "billy club" originated from the clubs used by a "Billy" referring to the law enforcers of the time who worked under King William IV, hence the moniker. Such clubs were not just weapons, but were also specifically used as a badge of office as well. The image of a billy club is still so strongly associated with police that even kids know what a billy looks like and who has it.

A few years ago, the relevant law was CA Penal code 12020. I need to verify, but that seems to have been replaced with the codes I linked earlier. So if we do assume that billy was a generic term at the time of the law-writing (the last few years), it still has to mean a smallish carven-handled wooden club used by police. Considering the fact that they listed numerous specific weapon names, going so far as to include sap and blackjack, it looks like they do acknowledge the specificity of naming which would mean that if a baton were illegal to carry, it should be unambiguously listed as such. If given a baton and a billy, I think that most people would name them differently; but I doubt that most people would know the difference between sap and blackjack.

Check out italicized paragraph under the picture "Constables did not begin wearing uniforms until 1829 or carrying warrant cards until the 1880s"
http://www.neatorama.com/2013/03/15/Decorated-Police-Billy-Clubs/

http://law.justia.com/codes/california/2005/pen/12020-12040.html

Fun side-fact: Silly-billy may have maybe also come from King William IV himself. Or a cousin or something. "Who is silly billy now?"

Not sure if you noticed, but the etymology link you linked says that billy club didn't mean crowbar literally:
"originally burglars' slang for "crowbar;" meaning "policeman's club"

>>18211
Dude, the California Penal code was written in 1872, not the last few years. Each time it's edited (which is whenever a bunch of lawyers are uncomfortable with their job security) the revision date is noted as the date of the law since only the latest version is at all relevant. The language of that section, and thus the definition of "billy," dates from at least 1872.

>>18214
Do you know the difference between a comma and a semicolon?

>>18216
http://www.halloweenexpress.com/billy-club-p-8318.html#.

I'm not attacking you there, just pointing things out. Since grammar is very important when examining law, let's look closely at the semicolon for practice. It is being used in one of two ways. Either it is joining the "slang" and "meaning" parts together like this: "originally burglars' slang for "crowbar;" meaning "policeman's club"" or it is being used as a part of a list as a sort of "greater comma" like this: "Here are three examples of familiar sequences: one, two, and three; a, b, and c; first, second, and third." If it is the second, then it is not related to burglars' slang, and it is readable as: "club, 1848, American English, meaning "policeman's club"". Either way you look at it, it does mean "policeman's club". So to answer your question: yes, I know the difference between a semicolon and a comma, now you do too. Now take a breath and relax. I'm not out to get you. If you have anything to prove your point I would like to see it. I can't really put it any more politely.

Yes, the CA penal code was adopted in 1872, but it was updated in the last 5-10 years. Because it was updated, we can look at the latest revision as applicable "since only the latest version is at all relevant". In the latest version (as I pointed out earlier) we know that the law is very specific in scope because the difference between a sap and a blackjack is not big, but it makes that distinction regardless. It even goes so far as to include both "sandclub" and "sandbag" both of which are obviously quite similar. The sand ones are more similar that "billy" and "collapsible baton", thus one can only infer that they intentionally left out the batons.
Additionally, for it to be banned by the CA penal code, a collapsible baton must be an "instrument or weapon of the kind commonly known as a billy, blackjack, sandbag, sandclub, sap, or slungshot". This means that the club part is not the important part, but the "billy". And as the historical data shows, the law has changed in innumerable ways, but the popular and even the legal definition of "billy" in this context is and has been clearly and strongly defined for centuries. As I said earlier, it is so strongly ingrained into popular knowledge that it is part of halloween costumes even for kids (see earlier img). Ergo, vis a vis, concordantly, quid pro quo, Clarice, the definition does not cover collapsible batons because the law simply does not mention them.

A baseball bat is not a billy, a tire iron is not a billy, a nunchuk is not a billy, a tree branch is not a billy, a chair leg is not a billy. Why, then, do you think that a collapsible baton is? If they meant weapon, then they could just have put "blunt, striking weapon", but they didn't.

With all that said, are there weapons that are totally legit legal to carry? The CA code doesn't have the "bludgeoning instrument" (or whatever) part that the NY code does. If nothing else I would think that a walking stick should be fine. Someone involved in law once told me that just having a bat or similar in your car is proof that you are going to commit a crime. But I don't have proof either way.

OP means Assault Rifles not assault weapons... Masshole here and you are talking bout class 3 firearms. To be clear an assault weapon is Semi only and has things such as an adjustable stock and/or pistol grip and or vertical grip, and things of that nature. The term Assault Weapon was purposely invented to trick people into thinking guns like a semi only ar15 are full auto and only for the army/etc bullshit excuses to ban shit.
ANYTHING full auto OR with a supresser is banned NATIONWIDE unless it is owed by someone with a class 3.

TLDR To own full auto/silencer u need to bend over and take it from the ATF no matter what state you are in, and assault weapons are NOT what you are talking about.

>>18004
>I am talking about full auto AK-74 and SCAR stuff. Silencers if possibly.

i dont want to start a flame war or anything.

But of corse you know that a Class III Federal Firearms license is required before you can legally own a "AK-&4 and SCAR stuff" when you do that you can go to any one of the 100 ranges around LA that allow Full Auto weapins. To belong to a militia all you have to do is find a bunch of fools that have shot them selves in the head too many times

>>17998

You can indeed get body armor in California.

>>17684
Here is the information you seek.
http://thearmsguide.com/2349/full-auto-is-legal/

rude

>>18162
There's no greater danger than playing it safe.

“The first step toward success is taken when you refuse to be a captive of the environment in which you find yourself.”– -Mark Caine

That includes codes of honour. The true warrior does not live his life by the descriptions of mere languages, let alone ''codes''.

I think the warrior monks have a better approach. They keep their cool under amy circumstances. The samurai kill themselves over the least bit of shame.

rude

>What is the result if you are both a body builder and a practitioner of a martial art?
Probably something like this.

Keep in mind bodybuilding =/= "enormous raw strength training." Most of the record holders for weightlifting don't look at all like bodybuilders, generally because they aren't. Strength training is great for martial arts. Bodybuilding, not so much because of the inherent focus on aesthetics and the cyclical nature of the bulk and cut phases towards that end.

More strength is always better. The main problem is time. Professional fighters don't necessarily have the time to bulk up as much as they want to. There's only 24 hours in a day.

Raw strength and body building are not synonymous.

As a jujutsuka, I can tell you that the bigger a guy's muscles are, without a proportional increase to his weight or strength, means I can deliver a muscle compressing attack that will cause him more pain. Also, a bigger body is less able to slither around.

A colossal "cruiser submarine" that ultimately was never built.

Two even more ambitious proposals existed, but information on them is scarce at the moment.

A "flight deck cruiser" combining light cruiser sized armament with 36 scout-bombers.

I guess KanColle should rename their CAVs to CFs, huh.

A cruiser-killer requirement that ultimately led to the Alaska class also yielded this unused proposal based on an Iowa hull.

Possibly the ultimate battleship proposed in the United States navy, this fast Montana also boasted an insanely high shaft horsepower only obtainable through a return to turbo-electric drive. Ultimately the proposal was deemed so ambitious it was felt that it should make up the Montana's never-were successor, and development was indefinitely halted.

Apparently Des Moines and Worcester would've had a nice little sister in the form of the abortive CL-154.

The power of fully automatic loading was phenomenal when first developed. In particular I have special respect for the 8"/55RFs used on Des Moines.

Bunch of slack jawed faggots decided it was easier to use guns.

It seems to me that the sling has many advantages over the bow that were attributed to firearms. Easier to train and easier to maintain. If your sling breaks you just fashion a new one. A good bow could take weeks and weeks of bending and curing. Not to mention archery is highly skill dependent. As long as there are small rocks around, a slinger will not run out of ammunition, an archer is going to have 30 - 60 shots max.


Slings with metal bullets were known to have extreme velocity and penetrating power, I'd guess they just couldn't get through plate armor. That reasoning hasn't been valid for a few hundred years now.


As far as modern weapons go, a sling is perfect for concealed carry, and both silent and accurate. You could literally keep the whole thing in your pocket, and even if you were stopped by the cops it is unlikely they would recognize it as a weapon, you could say it was lingerie. You don't even need to carry ammunition if there are rocks around, which there always are in urban areas with degrading cement.

I'm not saying you would just whip it out during a close confrontation, but if the guy runs off with your wallet you could nail him in the backside at 50 yards.

>>18154 A sling only really takes a few seconds to get up to speed, maybe 5-10 at the most if you're really trying to hurl the thing... the accuracy issue is a real concern, but with training presumably it dissipates.

Worst comes to worse, you can hit someone over the side of the head with it. The centripetal force generated on a medium sized stone in a leather mace is not to be discounted. In extremity, the rocks can also be thrown.

Also, all slingers would have carried daggers of some sort. So a sling isn't a game changer like a gun, it's part of a balanced fighting style.

Treasonous? Enemies? Nobody's declared war here. Get your terminology straight before you try pushing legal issues, or you're no better than the brady bunch with their "assault clips".

SAGE has been used.

>>17536

Not OP but, the ATF has been allowing thousands (around 1,300) of guns to walk across the border. Agents were telling dealers to complete strawman sales to suspicious individuals. The guns would leave the shop and the ATF would do nothing to follow them.

They issued statistics such as "90% of guns used by the drug cartels are traced to the United States." This is only true because about 1 in 4-5 guns confiscated were submitted for tracing. As well as Operation Fast and Furious being a source of these guns.

These false statistics were used as reasoning to attempt to enact new gun control laws in the border states (multiple firearm sales reporting).

For further info:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=434515

>>17536
Go and peruse the Webster’s dictionary definition of treason and see if the justice departments forcing the illegal shipment of arms to a treatied sovereign(Mexico)WITH OUT THEIR KNOWLEDGE OR REQUEST.

>>17537
Once you add the over 1,000 rifles and grenade launchers they shipped through Florida to the Zetas in Honduras you realize a number closer to 4,300 military grade arms shipped illegally and with the Justice Departments seal of approval. There is no way you can deny this shit with over 13 long term members of the BATF getting shit canned for speaking out about this, the fucking director had to ignore a direct order from Holder when he testified on the 4th of July and almost all of Holders testimony before congress has now been proven false by e mails leaked from the white house. It seems some one in the white house has the conscience to leak the proof that Holder and the President knew about this from the start. Mexico now says over 675 murders have been committed by these weapons and they are certain that number is in the tens of thousands, and we have AT LEAST three dead Americans because of this bullshit, ALL OF THEM LAW ENFORCEMENT, ONE FED AND TWO COPS. Over 475 rifles have been confiscated in the US during traffic stops. Who knows how many are now in the hands of those radical La Raza Assholes. They think the entire west coast is their land and they plan on taking it back.

But lets play partisan politics on this instead of treating it as the National security risk that is is.
is treason.

UNLESS WE STOP WITH THE RED AGAINST BLUE BULLSHIT WE SHALL ALL PERISH.

You don't need to claim anything to convince us the ATF blows dick.

But you know why the Fox fools haven't been harping on this lately, right. The program was started bt George W. Bush and happened very few times since.

thats mine...minus bipod

Any reason why? Cause I'd keep a low profile right now if I were you.

i live in a bad part of town and im not 21 till april so no legal pistols... basically to carry till i can get concealed permit

All US states allow open carry. But only fools and show offs take their Ak out in public. I mean really do you need a Ak at McDonalds In case the order gets messed up?

>>18034

That AK is tacticool as fuck! Nice poly mag.

Some aspects of wing chun are really useful. Trapping and blocking mainly. but it's a weak art in general.

>>17947
Trapping has limited uses and application and pretty much every other serious striking style does blocking/defense better than WC.

>>17948
Depends on your goal, really. In my experience, Wing Chun is perfect for stopping a fight before it gets too serious while avoiding injury to yourself. Offensively, stuff like Pak does well enough in a pinch, but the system wasn't really developed for use against people who know what they're doing.

>>18039
Oh this is gonna be good...

please go on.

To the fool that thinks that Krav Maga is over rated should find out which martial arts style is being taught in the Israeli special forces and Mossad also Along with Hwarang Do, Krav Maga was taught to Army special forces operators in the 70's. You don't understand.

rude

You really made the Bohemian rhapsody on /k/?

>>18159
The M109 is an old girl, but she still holds up pretty darned well. It will be interesting to see how they turn out after the PIM upgrade is over.