battle, combat

to kill

one's nature or gender

to hate

destruction

Get a real translator. If it's just a text, I'm sure you could find someone on a language forum or IRC channel to do it for you. Automated translation is only good as a dictionary for looking up words.

Maybe some frenchie in here would like to do it? Those are around 5000 words or less. like 2 Pages.

>>285
if you need some german language service, I could do it

Maybe some frenchie in here would like to do it? Those are around 5000 words or less. like 2 Pages.

>>285
if you need some german language service, I could do it

>>287
sorry i mean 500 words, about one page

it's done. i did it myself and afterwards have a foreigner corrected it. turns out it was alright. thanks. also bilingual books, they help. if theey are about classic literature its a double win.

What part of das boot are you from? I lived in southern Italy for a few years. Amazing and crazy there.

>>293
I'm from Campania. South Italy

>>295
Si Campania! I was talking with someone at a brew pub I went to the other night who had went to Italy and literally got the impression on his visit that everything south of Rome was for all practical purposes a third world country. He went all over Italy but I guess he was in Naples during the garbage strike and it left a really bad impression with him. I tried explaining how it's not really like that but he wasn't having it.

SIGNORI TESTE DI CAZZO
QUESTO E' IL VOSTRO CHAN

Gyldendals.

And http://www.ordbogen.com/

I'm in the middle of Du Gamla, Du Fria (by Liza Marklund) myself.
Here's some Swedish movies:
http://www.imdb.com/list/M0G_ZVCasj0/

I try not to be a shill for Rosetta Stone, but for these kinds of languages it's quite good because they use native speakers. For any Chinese language dialect, tone and other factors are very important, and immersion techniques are more effective than most others. Having clearly-speaking voices really enunciating the different native tones of the syllables is important. Immersion technique's big weakness is normally getting into the nuances of grammar, but Chinese has relatively simple grammar (really the only thing simple about the damn language).

Start with immersion for recognition. Study the Hanzi for meaning and writing (I used Remembering Simplified Hanzi by Heisig). Study pronunciation of pinyin or bopomofo. Study sentences to pick up grammar and character readings.

Keep it fun.

At the end of the day, if you're not hearing and interpreting it, you won't retain all the knowledge, so you either need a teacher, a patient and interested friend, or a repository of chinese kids' shows.

http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/6692298/Chinese_Language_Learning_Pack

change your location and language to simplified chinese on Youtube. Watch movies, listen to podcasts, play those kill americans video flash games made by the chinese etc. The hardest part about chinese is the writing, which isn't hard at all. People are just extremely lazy. Like exercising, it's not difficult, just too many fat fucks.

SAGE has been used.

It partially depends on what you are learning for, but Simplified characters are used in most of mainland China (the PRC) while Traditional characters are used in Taiwan and Hong Kong, areas that are more open to westerners. Simplified isn't just an arbitrary title, they do actually make learning the written language a bit easier (although not incredibly so). It was designed to increase literacy. So I would recommend learning Simplified as it's a bit easier to learn a lot more people use it regularly. However if you're planning to go to Taipei or Hong Kong, it'd be good to learn it first.

>>109
Yes, and of course languages other than Chinese, that are written with Chinese characters, generally use traditional shapes. the examples that come to mind are Japanese and (a little bit) Korean, Ainu, Sawndip etc

So if it's not for actually using Chinese (for example another language, or you are fascinated by the calligraphy, or anything else...) then I'd recommend learn traditional ones.

It's easier to go from Traditional to simplified than the other way around.

aesthetically I like the traditional characters, practically I would use the simplified characters more (I live in Beijing)

I used Remembering the Simplified Hanzi by Heisig (actually I started with Japanese ussing Heisig's Kanji book) and he goes on to explain that you will be learning to read and recognize both characters no matter what, but it might be easier if you learn the one you intend to mostly write first

>paying

lolno

It would depend on the language in question.

>>225

Thai. (Not OP)

>>227

Don't know any Thai, but this guy has a few articles on Thai and he's pretty rad with languages.

http://www.fluentin3months.com/thai-in-8-weeks-mission/

>>239

I've learnt to a decent degree of fluency, and I managed to do that in about a year.
My suggestion is that you go and live in Thailand.
You're welcome.

OP, you're a decent looking fellow, and you have a nice, squarish jaw. Your glasses, however, are utter shit. Do yourself a favour and get some more square glasses that will compliment your manly jaw and your facial shape in general.
Sage for irrelivancy, I know nothing about any asian languages. Try saying "Ching" and "Chong" a bunch, maybe they won't notice a difference?

SAGE has been used.

Hoc commodum mihi est, ut latinae linguae ne obliviscere

Imago non congruentem quoque.

Salve. Nunc litteras effigierum Plinii Caeciliani L. Licino Surae scripto latina lego. Postquam legam de bello gallico C. Iulio Cæsare scripto. Quid nunc leges? Quid legistis latina scripto?

>>219
"Legam"
Meant "lecturus sim"

A few constructive tips to improve your grammar
VNVS "forum" should be an ablative place where "foro."
DVO "nos" is grammatically correct, but not necessary or typical Latin. Unless you are trying to emphasize that *WE* are learning Latin, you don't need it.
TRES "Latina" should be accusative direct object "Latinam," unless, you're trying to use an ablative of manner, which would be technically correct but really unusual.
QVATTVOR "Grammatica" should be an accusative direct object "grammaticam."
QVINQVE "obliviscere" This verb is deponent. "oblivisci"
SEX "ut...ne" calls for the usage of the subjunctive. So, "obliviscar."

>>197
You misunderstand, I'm not saying the technique is ineffective, I'm saying it's not necessary for a completely new learner. The "throw them into the deep end" approach might work, but there's other ways to learn how to swim that are a lot less traumatizing, or frustrating in the case of learning a language. You can try and drive a car with your feet, and if you really try you could be a great driver. Total immersion from day one could work, but a much better way is to learn the basics of the language, build up your vocabulary and kanji knowledge through daily speaking and writing study, then once you are confident enough that you might be able to walk through the streets of Tokyo and interact with people, you can do that or try and get as close as you can to the real thing at home.

That doesn't mean immersion can't be put in as part of the learning process, playing Japanese games, watching anime and live action Japanese shows/movies without subtitles, listening to Japanese music are all good things to do once you feel comfortable with it, but that's the key. Making it as enjoyable as you can and building confidence, not forcing yourself to learn the language out of necessity. That's how people locked up in Chinese prisons learn the language, but it probably wouldn't make many of them that enthusiastic about it.

But hey, if that's what you WANT to do, then go ahead and knock yourself out. Everyone learns a different way, after all. Some people might find it hard to get motivated to learn a language another way, so they frustrate themselves into forcing themselves to learn it. I'm just saying there could be better ways to learn it for others.

>>138
any tips for removing the boring of reaching literacy but not learning any language until you do?

Are there any resources for writing kana and kanji; you know, on paper? I'm going to start studing with a notebook and I don't want to have an ugly handwriting from the start.

>>214
learn them with an SRS and write the character out every time it comes up.

>>218
SRS?

BTW What is a more populated place to pratice with other studients?

Jes, mi 'stas ĉi tie. Do, vi decidis lerni nian malbelan lingveton? Bonege...

You should go here: http://www.facebook.com/groups/esperanto.grupo/

Aside from Lernu it's the most active online Eo community I know of. And if you use Skype, this is a good group: http://www.facebook.com/groups/skajpanoj/

I think practicing speaking is the best way to become fluent. I made my greatest leaps in comprehension when I began speaking with people.

Al trolo ne auxskultu.

Esperanto estas bonega por lingvolernantoj cxar kiam oni lernas unuan lingvon, lernu aliajn lingvojn faciligxas. Mi lernis e-on 5 jarojn antauxe kaj mia studado de la hispanan kaj persan lingvojn estas tre pli facila pro esperanto.

Bedauxrinde, I'm a little rusty... The courses at Lernu are excellent.

>>200
Malgraŭ la "rusteco" vi ankoraŭ parolas sufiĉe bone, laŭ mi. Mi povas vin kompreni facile.

Saluton, amiko. Mi ankaŭ parolas Esperanton.
Mi esperas paroli kun aliaj samideanoj ĉi tie.

>>211
Ĉu vi jam aŭdis pri la ŝanĝiĝo estonta de lernu? Diras ili ke la retejo ŝanĝos por fariĝi pli moderna, kaj mi legis ion pri nova forumaro tie, por mez/altniveluloj. Bonus, laŭ mi, ĉar mankas al retesperantujo centra komunumo de lernintoj. La IRC estas iom tro enua/malaktiva. Bedaŭrinde ne plu ekzistas eo*chano. Mi ege preferas sennoman interparoladon ol forumo-stilan paroladon kie konton/nomon havendas.

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/German/Introduction

This might help. I'm German myself, and after skimming through this it seems like a good start. If you have any questions just ask, I can help you out since I've got some free time on my hands .

You could try Rosetta Stone?

download Michel Thomas audio course. it's great

http://torrentz.eu/ada3b6c1e03f92e7c748678d35326d254e6ba657

>>212 here

I'm Norwegian and I'm currently learning German as well. I found that RS is a nice way to get started with learning German, and it's (somewhat) fun and easy.
I've currently finished 3 of 4 "units" at level 1. The total course have 4 units * 5 levels, so there's much to be learned.

I'm currently also looking for good/"canonical" learning material, but so far I'm sticking with RS as primary method. Due to it's "immersive" style of teaching, you won't explicitly learn grammar, so you might want/need other sources after a while. But as a beginner's resource I think it's great, and I recommend it.

I have a little experience with Korean, their writing system is certainly elegant and ultimately much easier to learn than the Chinese characters in Chinese or Japanese. The radicals in the characters represent sounds, once you can learn them it becomes easier (similar to how you learn to "sound things out" in English words).

Unfortunately, the different vowels and other parts of the language can be a bitch. I haven't personally used the Rosetta Stone course for Korean, but I would suggest using that simply because you'll need native speaker's audio files to get used to the funky vowels.

One good thing about Hangul is that when you learn the symbols for the individual consonants and vowels, you will be able to read any syllable and with the acquirement of phonological qualifications you can read any modern text. Contemporary Korean has by and large done away with Hanja (Chinese characters) in mainstream texts so it is much easier to read than, say, Japanese.

I've been studying it while I live in Korea for the past two years. Learning the alphabet and pronunciation is fairly easy, but the grammar is tricky at first. I use a textbook and then go out and embarrass myself by trying to use it around town, and the pain of feeling awkward in public around cute girls etches the phrases and vocabulary that I memorized that morning into my memory forever.

I've used a couple different series of books. I didn't like the Pimsleur tapes, as they didn't explain the context of the wide variety of grammar forms or the appropriate situations to use them. This textbook series is my favorite:

http://www.amazon.com/Textbook-Edition-Revised-Enlarged-English/dp/8953905532/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1339039217&sr=8-1

This is gonna sound rather silly and it is but on YouTube there's a Korean girl who calls herself "professor oh" the recent videos are ridiculous and strange. She dresses up like different people with voices etc but to learn the alphabet and how to write it out check out her first few videos they're very helpful!!!

My understanding of spoken korean is about 90%.
But my vocabulary is average and my reading is really slow, so I am looking for a way to speed it up.
I have been looking around for manga/manwha or books to read but without success. Does anyone have any suggestions?

I got something like "Spirit World of Metallic Volcanoes"

Hmm, damn, I knew I should have switched the words around to Makai no Kinzokukazan. Hopefully that ends up meaning something like "Metal(lic) Volcano of the Demon/Spirit World". Thank you.

I would say that French (and Spanish) are particularly easy considering how much they have in common with English (and eachother, but then I study both) By the word easy, I'm not trying to suggest that it's a dos, but more that it's a lot more familiar and easy to pick up. I'm studying a Baltic language now and it's noticably a lot more difficult. Everything I learn is self-taught, notably because education systems didn't seem to favour teaching languages as more teaching phrases or sentences without any contextual understanding. Also, I was damn lazy at the time.

I think the problem is generally, people worry about doing and hence use a course or program, rather than using all sorts of things as you sound to have done. I would suggest, starting to speak in French more often, or to go to a French speaking place, and then your language skills will come alive. But then, maybe you've already done this.

I need to brush up on my French and get a £4 megabus to France so I can actually start to use what I'm learning.

>>107
They're incredibly easy for English-speakers as long as you have a respectable English vocabulary that includes all the Latin-derived synonyms that we rarely use so you can recognize the Romance equivalents. In my third year of French in High School my physics teacher put a Spanish paragraph on a test and told us to translate it for extra credit. I did it easily just from my meager French knowledge. I get worried that people who only speak English are going to understand what I'm trying to say in front of them in French if I'm trying to keep it a secret. I feel like every goddamned word is just English with a French accent.

In French, the short words are hard and the long words are easy. In German the short words are easy and the long words are hard.

I took Russian and fuck, that shit is hard. I didn't especially have a problem with declining nouns because of Latin, but it's still a pain in the ass.

>>107
I went to Quebec for vacation. They are notorious for using English with you if there's any hint you aren't from Quebec or France. I asked a cop a question, and he replied in English. That sucked. But then I asked a cute girl working in a book store to help me find something and she spoke French with me. That was in Montreal. I later went up to Quebec City where they'll refuse to speak French with you just as some sort of political statement. I went to a restaurant with my family there and they would always talk to me in French but switch to English for everyone else. That was awesome, because my French was probably pretty shitty back then.

>General French thread

Don't know if this is the intended use for your thread, I'll delete my post if you want, but I was hoping someone could tell me what these lyrics say? I haven't been able to even find them transcribed, let alone translated.