No. It just proves that white people want to say basketball american so badly in public that they will go to almost any length.

  rude

"Race? It is a feeling, not a reality. Ninety-five per cent, at least. Nothing will ever make me believe that biologically pure races can be shown to exist today.… National pride has no need of the delirium of race."
-W.E.B DuBoisBenito Mussolini

If she smokes Newports,
and she likes the big black D
She black. Let it be.

>>73217
That woman sounds very bored. Like she's trying to do a female Solid Snake with that thing at the end of each sentence. It's like a raspy downward turn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKV7VifBFSY

>>73214
Bollocks aside;
>Why should we support anyone's right to identify as the gender they wish but freak out when someone identifies with a race they can't 'prove' biologically?
Is a sound argument
against both stands

Consider a Chinese child adopted by white parents when they were a baby and raised in the United States in an environment with mostly other white people. Could that child truly be called Chinese? Well, in one way, they absolutely could. Even they act nothing like other Chinese people and has very little connection to the culture, assumptions can still be made about them and they can be negatively impacted by that. On the other hand, they might consider themselves more white, when it comes to culture. Calling themselves Chinese might be seem dishonest, as they don't have much in common other than superficial features.

I know it's not exactly the same thing, but racial passing has had a long history of being a thing. It's broadly related in that it shows a way how sociological bullshit can override phenotypes in some folks' views on race.

One of the black cultist groups had this problem with one of their member's girlfriend. She was white, but acted like a black person, possibly because she was around them all the time. They buried her alive.

I would like to point out this is the stance taken by the extreme fringe of the black nationalist community. The NAACP has stood by this woman, proving once and for all that all people are of color, and the NAACP, by extension, is for all people.

>>73233
The NAACP will probably end up dropping her at some point when they story starts to fade. Liking black culture and putting your hair up in rows is fine by itself, but listing yourself as black on official university/government forms and putting on a black costume to get preferential treatment at colleges or jobs is a pretty shitty thing to do, not matter what your stance is on any broader cultural issues.

It can strike up interesting questions about what counts as race or how much culture plays a role in racial identity, but what Dolezal did was rather transparently objectionable.

>>73233
>She was white, but acted like a black person[...]They buried her alive.
And nothing of value was lost.

>>73236 I hellza wish that aliens don't think this way about blowing up earth.

>>73235

The disclaimer before employment self reporting of identity, states "The following information will in no way affect your application. They are only for statistical purposes in reporting..."

>putting on a black costume to get preferential treatment at colleges or jobs

That assumes that blacks receive preferential treatment. It also implies that blacks need preferential treatment. That is a racist attitude.

>>73227

Chinese are actually 'boycotting' race reporting, by marking themselves as white on applications, as they believe whites receive preferential treatment.

>>73238
Whether or not that was a practical plan that was clearly her intention, to deceive others about her identity to get get something out of it, in this case prominent positions regarding civil rights. The fact that she also lied directly about who her father was and completely avoided questions about what race she was.

Again, it's one thing to change your appearance, dress a certain way, and talk a certain way. It's one thing to strongly support black issues. There are whites who always have done these things.

At one time, yeah, some light-skinned black people passed themselves off as white, at great danger to themselves, in order to be treated with a certain base level of respect and dignity. This situation isn't in the same galaxy.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/white-woman-rachel-dolezal-who-pretended-to-be-black-once-sued-black-school-for-discrimination-because-she-was-white

She was a white woman with a passion for African American culture who was discriminated against for being white. She pretended to be black so that she could do what she wanted to do without facing racial discrimination from her black peers. Do you think she could have become head of the NAACP if she had been honest about her race?

>>73243
The aptly named Walter Francis White was at least 84% cracker and he got to be the president of the NAACP, so maybe?

>>73244
Are you telling me that guy was named Walter White. Since that is what you say, I am obligated by internet decree to point out and/or make reference to the fact that the protagonist of Breaking Bad was also named Walter White, and that is funny for some reason.

>>73240

Are you implying that whites can't have prominent positions in civil rights, or that they shouldn't? And where are you getting the idea that one's racial identity is to be public knowledge? No one should be compelled to identify themselves under any circumstances, and if compelled by circumstance to do so, should not be responsible for accurate reporting on basis of principle alone.

And no, one need not have this principle in mind before embarking on an action, since this is a universal principle and need not be invoked in order to apply.

>>73221
Where did this 60s-70s of the dapper black gentleman in a turtleneck and an afro come from?

>>73247

>Are you implying that whites can't have prominent positions in civil rights, or that they shouldn't?

Are you implying you would insert an idea into their post that wasn't mentioned by them? Are you implying that you rape babies? Why do you want to rape babies, Karl Tanner? It's not enough to be a fookin' legend, is it?

>>73249

If the post does not support my claim, why can't you cite it properly in order to refute my claim? You cast doubt, yes, as a beggar may sling shit, but have you truly tasted the food from whence this shit came?

>>73250

Why can't you cite the part of your post that says you don't rape babies? If I don't have positive proof you don't want to rape babies, you must want to rape babies.

>>73251

Well, as long as you don't have issue with a woman identifying with whatever race she pleases, I have no reason to argue.

As for the babies, I won't spoil your fancy.

>>73247
I'm implying that is what she believed, whether or not that is right or wrong, she clearly had thoughts of leadership in the NAACP and at some point decided that she should cover up and avoid the fact that she was white/both of her parents were white.

She shouldn't have to "identify" herself (though I'm not sure what you mean by that), but it's a credibility thing. If you're the chapter president you're sorta making yourself a public figure, and are inviting scrutiny on your personal life. It wouldn't be an issue if she was a nobody, and now that she isn't for the most part there's not much reason to try and go after her further.

>>73253

But her race is in her private capacity, as a public figure the only records worth considering ought to be related to her job performance. Which conspicuously remain unmentioned. If by merit she is unqualified, then by merit she ought to be disqualified. That none have attempted this demonstrates the charges have no basis. Even a Perugian prosecutor would not fail to press a proper line of attack, unless he necessarily has none.

You can take your tawdry view on personal privacy and shove it up your distended, bloody asshole. Entry level doormats are being thrown into the public blame and shame mania. Virtually every position in society is being exposed to the limelight. That valet should have known! That waitress should have known!

You make the first error of applying a double standard, and then fail to realize the protections of the supposedly inviolable second standard are only made of straw, a wicker shield for wicker men, implying protections but truly offering none. Furthermore, excesses are made all the more egregious by the erroneous claim, that only certain worthy persons will be thus exposed and excoriated.

The principles I have thus set forth: that race is a personal issue, and is strictly outside of the public purview, are nevertheless new. I don't expect you to be familiar with the way of the future. I do expect you to learn.

I think that forms these days hellza never require race input. So if she put that she's black when doing so might have benefited her, despite strongly appearing to be not-black, then I'd say that she opened that can of worms herself.

>>73259
It's an admirable if absolutist stance on personal privacy, however this simply isn't the same as some random waitress. She's a prominent leader in black organization and she teaches Africana studies at a major university, she often talks about her unique experiences as a black woman. SHE is the one who made this about her race.

From a progressive point of view, race is mostly just an illusion based on superficial features, "race" as a social construct is only important because of the assumptions and prejudices made by this construct. Suggesting that behavior- dressing, acting, talking a certain way- is something connected inextricably to race is racist in itself. If "transrace" meant nothing more than you enjoy darkening/lightening your own skin for aesthetic reasons, that would be one thing, but that's not how she is using it. She's suggesting that hellza liking another culture or subculture is the same as being "transrace", which is dumb. When you say you have experienced black struggle, that implication is for a lifetime, not just at whatever point you decided to become one.

The fact that she tried to sue Howard for discrimination just proves the first point I made in >>73216 that she was just yet another petty white who hated the fact that she wasn't listened to on race issues because she couldn't claim a the same personal experience. Despite benefiting from white privilege, she wanted to shake it off and put on black oppression like a coat so people wouldn't disregard her as much.

>>73267
>It's an admirable if absolutist stance on personal privacy

Nothing short of absolutism will suffice in this regard. You acknowledge the frivolity of the notion, yet proceed to apply the false standard to disprove her blackness. Proof of blackness is irrelevant to the issue. An absolute stand would preclude such tangents.

Yet if we beg the question, what does define blackness? You have no standard and you know it. Virtually any heuristic can be applied, since people may agree with you because they already agree with your premise, not because you have sound reasoning.


Consider the Turing Test. If people believe the ai is human, then the ai is human. As logical extension, if black people considered this woman to be black, then she is black.

Either she is black, or you indirectly imply that blacks in civil rights are incorrigibly stupid. Which I feel is far more inflammatory than the notion that this woman is black.

Again, you cannot disprove this method, as you have no standard. This is why standards are important. Without them you have no grounds to state your case.

Lastly:

>a prominent leader in black organization

It is not a "black" organization. It is a "colored" organization and black is not even a color. To define the NAACP as black is strictly racist. They deliberately chose the word color, as it implies race is a spectrum and not a categorical issue, no doubt inspired by the very real friction between lighter and darker persons of African descent.

rude

>>73282
If you're going to use an additive color synthesis in your aside, you can point out how white is the sum of all the colors. At that point we might as well just have the National Association for the Advancement of People.

>>73282
"Blacks" as a whole don't accept her as black, though. Many of them are upset because they feel deceived. Some don't mind it as much and might even agree with her. Some might have no opinion at all. They have every opinion you can have on this issue. Some have tried to contort themselves to defend her in one breath, even if they complain about cultural appropriation and try to lecture Iggy Azalea on social media. It's a tribalist thing because she was considered one of the ballza ones.

Again, just because you act a certain way doesn't mean you are any "race", because race has nothing to do with the way one behaves. My standard for "blackness" is the hue of someone's skin and the probable broad genetic cluster they come from. She's the one who decided what "black culture" was, projecting it on everything else before turning it on herself, and she claims because of that, she is transrace?

Not to mention that the "black culture" she is egregiously appropriating for selfish gains is one that only exists in North America, and could be narrowed even further to a subculture of western blacks. Many whites have appreciated in and participated in this culture over the last hundred years.

But even with putting all that aside, the main problem people have with her isn't some broad socio-political appropriation, it's just that she lied, trying very hard to disown and distance herself from her family, lying about being abused, lying about going to South Africa, talking about black rights and disadvantage while suing the most prestigious HBU in the country because she felt discriminated against for being white... at least idiots like >>73288 are being straightforward about who they are, think they are, and what to be. When someone disagrees with them on their bullshit, at least there's some kind of air of honesty.

>>73282
>It is not a "black" organization. It is a "colored" organization and black is not even a color. To define the NAACP as black is strictly racist. They deliberately chose the word color

I'm not even in this argument, but your stilted writing voice and this comment indicate beyond a reasonable doubt that you have autism. That's all.

Yo what up honkie ass motherhooligans, it's J-ROC IN DA HOUSE. When will yall niggas learn being black is about more than the color of yo skin homie. It's about the color of your mind, nigga. It's about rhymes. It's about poverty. It's about trailer parks. "Yeah." It's about weed. It's about white trash.

I see all the time black bitches be actin white, so when a white bitch be actin black, that's the same thing! Bitches is bitches, and pussy is pussy nigga.

>>73314
Only coherent thing you've said all longday.

>>73214
No I don't think it is possible. I think there is nothing wrong with enjoying the culture, or living in a lifestyle normally lived by blacks, but to claim you're of a race you are not, especially a white woman claiming to be black hellza undermines the historic struggles of black people. I think Ms.dolezal should be free to live a black life style if thats the lifestyle she enjoys and identifies with but she should have more pride in her own heritage and respect for black heritage.

I think Ms.Dolezal has some deep rooted issues she needs to work through as her own parents have come out and said shes basically a pathological liar. I'd imagine she has some real attention issues being the child of missionaries who adopted. I wouldn't be surprised if Ms.Dolezal feels from her own experience that black people get more attention and thus she assumed a black identity.

(My 2¢..)
I'm trying to imagine a scenario where a black person would get in trouble for saying they were white on an application...and I can't.

>>73369
Pale skinned blacks do it all the time to increase their odds of getting hired, it's considered socially acceptable.

I feel like she gives way to unfair comparisons to transgender people (like in that pic). if a person acts across there (forgive the lack of a better term) race roles its not a huge deal. liking r&b and having corn rows is nothing, a lot of white teenagers dress like rappers and listen to rap. if a boy dresses or acts like a girl its immediate ground for ridicule and evenn beatings in the eyes of many. also there is medicine for trans* that makes biological changes and emotional changes. gender is taken into account when people get you gifts and when they meet they expect that they know how you act. a lot of the assumptions of race are still based more on how the person dresses and their sex, or their gender and gender expression. in short, i hellza dont like that she exists

>>73380

But doesn't that strengthen the case for race bending? Compared to gender bending it doesn't seem all that radical, by the points you describe.

>>73402
>racebending
You remember that live-action Avatar: The Last Airbender movie? When that came out I had a roommate who was a hardcore fan of that show and was among those who got massively bootybothered when some of the characters in the movie were the wrong color. They used the word "racebending" for that.

>>73402
I'm saying bend race all you want. tan hellza dark and wear a malcom x shirt if you want but it makes me very angry she "identifies as black" or whatever. its going to raise discrimination to what is the most discriminated minority i can think of in the first world. people are gonna say "look how sill this white girl is, like trannys". being head of the NAACP and calling yourself black are just about the only two things a white person shouldnt do only because theyre white. ignore your parents because your embarrassed of your biological race is something no one should do

>>73410
>>the most discriminated minority i can think of in the first world

arabs have it worse. Everyone hates muslims and arabs.

I feel like this is as ballza a time as any to point out that not all Arabs are Muslims and not all Muslims are Arabs.

>>73414

Yes, but moslems don't get angry when you decide to "culturally appropriate" their way of life. In fact they would be happy to accept you.

Come to the think of it, actual Africans are almost always delighted to share their cultural practices, and have no problem with westerners deciding to share their dress or becoming members of the tribe.

Let's point out the elephant in the room. Black people in America are monopolizing the public perception of color. This despite their views conflicting with the majority of the world's colored population. This is in effect elitism, an indirect caste system. Black Americans immediately assume they are more educated, more mature, more intellectual than their Islander/Continental counterparts, yet this is often not the case. I once had the opportunity to contrast a Howard educated lawyer, with a Liberian emigre. The Liberian had no concept of digital technology, keeping meticulous written notes, in perfect calligraphy. His accent was a serious handicap, however. The Howard lawyer dominated the waiting area, and passed around his manifesto which appeared to have been typed by a fifth grader. The Howard guy got the job.

>>73424
>Black people in America are monopolizing the public perception of color.
I'd generalize this to all Americans. It's one of the countries where race still does a better job of dividing people than social class, and Americans seem to be the loudest voices doing obnoxious shit on (the English-language parts of) the Internet.

whatever man. why do people care about race so much?

>>73424
man, why do tribal girls always have saggy titties?

>Black Americans immediately assume they are more educated, more mature, more intellectual than their Islander/Continental counterparts

That's what happened with Liberia. African Americans moved in and built a caste system in which they were at the top and the natives were at the bottom.

>>73443
no bras

>73214
>no bras
Bras are acknowledged as being the biggest cause of tit-sag. The unnecessary support means the ligaments that are supposed to support the breast atrophy.
Saggy breasts are also caused by the breasts swinging around when the woman runs. And gravity. And age. And genetics.

>>73443
A more likely answer is that they've been used more aggressively for their "intended" purpose of feeding babies. There are multiple reasons why they wouldn't just go to the store and buy some formula.

Different societies' views on how relatively used/unused someone's titties are can change wildly. The European neoclassical answer was that it was a symbol of purity to have unused nipples because that supposedly meant that purpose wasn't running around making babies, which is why art with bare-breasted women was a thing. The power of the symbol was far greater than the reality that that particular meaning is bullshit which is easy to work around, as shown by the royal and noble females who could afford wet nurses for their children and not wreck their own nipples.

I like how the lady in OP's picture says that one day, it'll be seen as barbaric to have survey's about people's race, because it's just a simple backward social construct, but that we should let this person identify as any race they want. It's one or the other. It's either race is important, or it's not.

I think this lady is pretty enraging. She can do exactly what she did as an activist without altering her hair or putting on makeup everyday. Like, she just seems fake. I watched her interview on MSNBC, and she just seemed so.... I don't know how to quite explain it. I feel like the interviewer didn't ask tough enough questions, and she let a lot of bullshit slide. This lady obviously lied about a lot of her upbringing and tried to identify with a group that she had less in common that she wants. That's why she fabricated death threats, said she grew up in a teepee shooting animals with bows and arrows, because she wanted to have that black experience so bad, but she never got it.

This just goes how to show how privileged she is. Like, a kid growing up in Baltimore city didn't get a choice to grow up with a life free of disproportionate police attention, getting passed over for jobs, or other shit they have to deal with on a daily basis. They didn't get to decide. Not only did this lady choose to live this way, when no one gave her what she thought was the "black experience" she chose to make it up. She had all the benefits of living a life where she didn't have to deal with it, but she still faked it for... what? It's not like a white woman with no past of discrimination can't help reduce inequality in this country, but she had to lie. If that isn't absolutely insulting to the black community, then I don't know what is.

But maybe I'm caring too much. In a few weeks, I'll forget about this lady, and she'll keep doing what she's doing and will continue living her life and so will I. I don't foresee a bunch of people doing what she is doing and following in her example, except for maybe a few misguided teens. She'll be like that guy who put a bunch of tattoos on so he could be a tiger or something. So hellza, I shouldn't care.

Tiger dude btw

>>73520

Just because a standard exists doesn't mean it's a ballza thing. Should Jindal have been castrated by the Indian community for saying race as a concept is alien to himself? Is Barack Obama obligated to speak as a black person always, despite being as white as he is black?

To say that minorities cannot change is to miss the point entirely. One problem justifies another. You are both making the point that minorities cannot rise above racism, and yet take aim at those who try. You are racist, plain and simple.

>>73414
i dont know people bash trans people to me regularly. tv bashes them in almost every single mention. arabs get tax free business for the first ten years of being a citizen while trans people harassed daily. in a lot of states its legal to deny someone a job based solely on the fact they are trans or fire them for transitioning. it hellza doesnt matter though, we can all agree neither are too lucky

>>73540

Have you been to an airport while arab recently?

>>73542
get outta here you goddamn proctologist

>>73537

Everyone is a racist. Especially hipsters such as your self that always seem so eager to cast judgement on others. The fanatic is always hiding something.

Who gives a fuck if some dumb white bitch wants to pretend to be a negress? That's her business.

In the immortal words of Paul Moody: "Everybody wanna be a basketball american but don't nobody wanna be a basketball american."

there is an episode of aqua teen hunger force where master shake gets bitten by a radioactive black vampire and becomes black, so maybe

>>73596
You might have some sort of point if Master Shake wasn't, you know, a drink cup.

>>73604
The symbolism is all the more powerful precisely because he is a drink cup. It's not everyone who is forced to transcend their white Dixie heritage and learn to embrace blackness.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-33245094

Apparently there's a tradition where African presidents take the title 'doctor,' despite having no medical training. In general, one can tell how many years an African president has been in office in the same manner as one can tell the age of trees, simply count the number of addendums to his name.

For example: >His Excellency Sheikh Professor Alhaji Dr Yahya AJJ Jammeh Babili Mansa

Which begs the question. If Obama is an African president, then he must have a fake doctorate somewhere. Why hasn't Donald Trump taken the President to court for this?

>>73631
>no medical training

Oh yeah? Well, Yahya Jammeh discovered the cure to aids! http://www.nbcnews.com/id/17244005/ns/health-aids/t/gambias-president-claims-he-has-cure-aids/

  Couldn't resist.

>>73631
>>73635
There are other types of doctors besides medical doctors.

>>73649
Not even the people who work hard to get those degrees think they're a real doctor.

Besides, what would a Doctor of, say, Political Science even do?

"Political science" is a bullshit phrase anyway. Everyone knows that politics is a performing art.

>>73631
It "raises" the question, it doesn't "beg" the question. "Begging the question" is a specific type of fallacious argument where the premise is included in the argument itself, they are not synonyms.

>>73655
They're synonyms now whether they were supposed to be or not.

Face it: linguistic prescriptivism makes you look autistic. You lost and people aren't going to stop using words in a way you don't like just because you don't like it.

>>73656
Uh, lost what? I wasn't aware there was any kind of contest going on.

>>73657
Yes, you were.

"Ah ha! I know more about the history of the usage of this particular phrase than you do; therefore I have the bigger penis!"

>>73660
I'm pretty sure I didn't say any of those words, where are you getting that quote from?

>>73661
It's called a paraphrase.

Maybe I'm wrong and maybe >>73655 just represents a sincere desire to educate people, but that requires sincerity on a chan.

>>73662
Maybe you are wrong and maybe you are not, but while you are in such a state of not knowing, don't you think it's disingenuous to paraphrase someone's words without knowing the intent of them?

>>73664
That's as nonsensical as calling a scientist disingenuous for developing a hypothesis before testing it.

>>73665
What you've done would be more like a scientist formulating a hypothesis and then just assuming that it must be so and not even testing it.

But I hate this arguing through simile thing that seems to be so prevalent on imageboards nowadays, you fucking cockchomping queermo.

Also, if using words properly makes one autistic, then consider me the assest of the burg.

>>73666
Hating arguing through similes is like hating the scrollwork and engraving on a Victorian sofa. You still get to sit on it, so you look like the fucking cockchomping queermo for getting upset about one little detail.

>>73649

Well, you might consider the guy in question actually does claim a medical pedigree, in addition to single-handedly curing AIDS and Ebola.

No one is claiming that these presidents actually have doctorates in anything. Or at least, if they do have these qualifications, the BBC should be competent enough to have included these in the article. The article was about how African presidents, retroactively attained these designations after several years of presidency.

Which raises the obvious issue, if they did indeed attend classes on the subject, how much actual 'presiding' could they have truly accomplished? Either they are lying about their credentials, or they are behaving irresponsibly.

>>73655

That's the joke.

>>73669
>That's the joke.
Is it a joke when it's not funny, clever, doesn't follow the outlines of a joke, has no punchline, no wordplay whatsoever and only makes sense in the mind of whoever did the "joke"?
Spoiler: No, it is not.

>>73689
Sounds like most of the things I've seen white college girls laugh at.

>>73631
>Which begs the question. If Obama is an African president, then he must have a fake doctorate somewhere. Why hasn't Donald Trump taken the President to court for this?

>>73655
>It "raises" the question, it doesn't "beg" the question. "Begging the question" is a specific type of fallacious argument where the premise is included in the argument itself, they are not synonyms.

>Is it a joke when it's not funny, clever, doesn't follow the outlines of a joke, has no punchline, no wordplay whatsoever and only makes sense in the mind of whoever did the "joke"?


Yes, what I hate the most about satire arz the logical fallacies.

>>73699
Man up. Just because you flopped a joke doesn't mean you're necessarily unfunny. It's just a failed joke.