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435 No. 435 ID: 2579fb
"Constructive criticism" is surely the worst mass hallucination since consumer capitalism, or the resurrection of our Lord, or the Democratic Party. For one, it's inimical to the purposes of criticism as art. I'll say it again: the point of criticism is not to improve you, but to express me. And each time I digress to offer you helpful suggestions, encouraging remarks and other pep-talk, I am not truly expressing myself. I'm merely being polite, nice, even a bit condescending — in other words, I'm being aesthetically repulsive. Like it or not, criticism is art, not altruism, and those two things are not the same.

What's more, constructive criticism is entirely useless, a wasted effort. All good artists have two things in common. The first is talent. Talent is all-or-nothing entity: either you have it, or you don't. People without talent, once they're past school age, won't ever get it, and no amount of prodding and encouragement will make a damn bit of difference. The best they can ever achieve is an approximation of hack fluency, and who wants to encourage more of that? Better for everyone if it's nipped in the bud. People who have talent, on the other hand, know it; they also know what to take from feedback, and if they need to take anything.

There is no need to take a "constructive" attitude with talented artists — if anything, they find such an attitude more offensive. As H.L. Mencken said: "I do not object to being denounced, but I can't abide being schoolmastered, especially by men I regard as imbeciles." The constructive critic is a crow who takes it upon himself to educate the eagle; one who tries to force his own limitations on those who can soar far higher, unencumbered.

The second, and more important, attribute shared by all artists is drive: the drive to create, the artistic impulse. In a real artist, this is strong enough that it won't be put off by a few insults. If anything, a critical savaging will drive him even more, make him even more convinced of his art. An artist is one who must create art, constantly, unstoppably: anyone who packs it in after suffering a bit of criticism, however harsh, is simply not an artist. His retreat from the art world is no loss at all.
>> No. 437 ID: 253add
I'll take the case!

I concede that criticism as an art form does not seek to improve the original work. However, I feel that you're getting too bogged down in semantics; while literary (or whatever) criticism has purpose that is to help express and define the original work, constructive criticism is widely acknowledged to be a whole different animal. While the terminology may be regrettably similar, constructive and literary criticism are two different things. One is not supposed to be taken to be the other.

Criticism as an art, too, has its limits. Most obviously, it seeks to make an interpretation of a work despite being necessarily and invisibly contextualized by the critic's experiences, tastes, education, and so on. While brave for making their personal connection public, criticism does not mean truth.

The meat of your post, the argument that constructive criticism is "a wasted effort," is absurd. Positing that talent is an all-or-nothing affair flies in the face of any kind of sense. Perhaps, and I only concede this for the sake of argument, the truly great artists have a talent that cannot be replicated. Even so, not everyone who produces art is among the rarefied few. Someone can be great without being a master; they could be good, entertaining, or thought-provoking, without being extraordinarily talented, but still want and need advice on their work.

Besides, there are plenty of great artists who had their work edited, and edited, and edited again by others, because they gain something from an outside perspective.

You also seem to misunderstand exactly what constructive criticism entails ("prodding and encouragement"). Constructive criticism is not encouragement; ideally, it is an honest assessment of the strengths and weaknesses of someone's work and suggestions for improvement. Coddling is not constructive.
>> No. 439 ID: 253add
Also, troll thread, but an entertaining and well-done one.

SAGE has been used.
>> No. 442 ID: 9dd388
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>troll thread

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