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564 No. 564
What is the ideal size of a society? There are so many criteria that could define an ideal size. Is it one in which every member serves a unique role? Is self-sufficiency a requirement? If so, then is this "ideal" status lost as the population grows?

I'm not trying to advocate a return to tribalism, but I would argue that crime and unemployment are evidence of a society that has grown too large (though crime has more or less always existed), as an ideal population would theoretically employ every member and eliminate the need for crime. Assuming that this "ideal" size is rather small, does this make direct democracy a more viable form of government? Early societies had small populations, at least compared to modern cities/areas of governance, and yet they tended to rely upon a fairly vertical structure of government with authoritative leaders. Does this mean that in a society where every member has a role, the population would rather shift the role of governing to a small group of people than operate democratically?

Perhaps I am getting too far ahead of myself by asking all of these questions, but without shifting the discussion towards politics, the recent European Union elections somewhat inspired this train of thought. There seems to be a panic among some media outlets because the people democratically elected right-wing figures who want to limit immigration and foreign influence in the EU. Hopefully this isn't too wide of a topic, but it would be nice to have some discussion on this board.
>> No. 569
Smaller tends to be better, but the size of society is proportional to the amount of organized labor is needed to sustain that society. For example river valley civilizations such as the Xia Dynasty based their power on their ability to complete hydrological works and irrigation. Such a society could not be effectively split without severe famine.

On the other extreme, the carrying capacity of the arctic tundra may only allow for a low population density, hence the inuit tend to live in small family bands.

It comes down to location, location, location.

The funny thing is, globalization is the one thing that transcends these boundaries. Want to have an ideal platonic society on an island somewhere with no natural resources? You can, the market can provide everything you need, and you can provide twilight hours tech support in return.
>> No. 697
at one point i remembered reading something about the highest number of people that we know and can keep in our heads at one time - it came out to about 100. Later, I read about the lowest number of people in an organic community that can exist where everyone is at most 2 degrees of separation from each other. It was also about 100 people.


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