>>2412

Oh also;

15. I still live with my parents because its cheap and easy

>>2412

OP here,

The point I'm trying to make with this post is that if I were to ever have a girlfriend, I'd have to give up or do a lot less of all the things I enjoy

There are all kinds of people in this world. I guarantee you that there is a girl EXACTLY like you (okay, not exactly, since we're all unique snowflakes, but hopefully you know what I mean) somewhere in this world out of the population of 7 trillion. Whenever I feel alone because I'm thinking some weird seemingly inexplicable weird shit, that's what I remind myself of.

Besides, the things you listed off are very typical.
1. There are other girls that are unfit and slightly overweight
2. this is a good thing to a lot of girls
3. this is a good thing to A LOT of girls
4. this is a good thing to a lot of girls
5. this is a great thing to a lot of girls
6. this is just plain false
7. this is something very common and there are a lot of girls who will either appreciate it or feel the same way. I was a virgin until I was 18 and in college. Looking back, I realize it was all in my head.
8. girls don't cost money
9. this is not required, and a lot of girls don't drive either
10. a lot of girls are the same way
11. a lot of girls are the same way
12. a lot of girls are the same way, and you may find that when you become interested in a woman and the feeling is mutual, it will gain importance in your mind
13. a lot of girls are the same way. also, a lot of the time, even if a girl is the opposite, she will need someone like you to balance her out.
14. this is a great thing for anybody

I hope I helped. Sorry if I came off as something or another..

You don't sound that bad from your list. At all, you sound pretty good.

There is a massive load of assumption in your list.

You need to think outside of the box (or list in this case), because the fact that you drive or not is a. an idea you have when you're a teenager, and b. not actually relevant to a relationship. Sure, some people give a shit about these things but you; shouldn't be with someone that expects a car as an extension of you.

It's hard because I can tell you but you might not get it, you have to arrive at your own pace as everyone does. Girls and boys are not one way and you have a surprising degree of control in romance. I don't know, maybe it's language, but there are plenty of people across the world that would not have a problem with this list, try to look at things differently.

>>2415
OP here, thanks for the help but there's still a few issues here;

>1. There are other girls that are unfit and slightly overweight
But even a lot of these girls would consider me not good enough.

>7. this is something very common and there are a lot of girls who will either appreciate it or feel the same way. I was a virgin until I was 18 and in college. Looking back, I realize it was all in my head.

My problem with this is that I'm 21 and the large majority of girls in my age range already have experience with sex, whereas I've barely even kissed a girl. My lack of experience means I'll be no good in bed, and they would just get bored and go elsewhere.

>8. girls don't cost money
Not explicitly but its expected of you to buy things for them, lest you get the cold shoulder treatment

At the end of the day, all I'm looking for is a girl who is genuine, honest, trustworthy and enjoyable company. I don't want a girl who wants to mild me into something she would prefer and I don't want a girl who's going to be on my case or burden me with obligations.

On paper it doesn't seem like I'm asking for much but I can't seem to find a single girl who fits that criteria and could also like me. Does such a girl exist?

None of those things matter really. The thing that repels girls is the fact that you are obviously someone who only focuses on his shortcomings. Develop some self-confidence. Lack of self-confidence is like kryptonite to girls.

Until you fix your view of yourself, you're not going to attract any worthwhile girl.

>>2418

But how can I be confident in myself if I have no justification for it? I could pretend to be confident but then I'm just lying and will probably come across as arrogant. I have zero success with women so I've got nothing to be confident about in the first place.

I find it very difficult to boast in front of girls, mainly because I have nothing to boast about to them. I can boast to my friends but that's because they share my interests and I'm a lot more comfortable around them.

welp, I guess you're doomed OP.

>>2421

>But how can I be confident in myself if I have no justification for it?

stop trying to justify and assess things. Use google to work out the first steps in 'how to be confident' or 'how to love yourself' and work from there. Stop refuting people's help, because they won't take to it well. And re-read this thread, about 10-20 times, study it and really listen to what people have said.

>>2421
Stop worrying. I know at your age that this seems impossible, but it's not. You don't know yourself yet. You're still growing. You're in a very vulnerable stage and it will be a rapid change of life for a few years. Hang on. It will get better and you will, hopefully with work, stop comparing every aspect of your life with others, as you do now.

I know you won't take my advice. I sure didn't when I was your age. But if you do, you will be years ahead of your friends.

>>2417
Such a girl undoubtedly exists. And such a girl will consider you good enough if you consider yourself good enough. Listen, I'm gonna be honest here... I'm really hot and I have a dominant personality, but most girls didn't find me attractive or "thought me good enough" when they got to know me because I have mother issues. I automatically assumed any girl I was attracted to would hate me, so they disliked me. I'm working on that. But my point is, it matters more how you see yourself than how others see you. Also, about confidence building, the best way is not to read about it. The best way is to go out and do it. Literally, when I used to work on this shit, I would put on my todo list "get rejected". Because that's the best way to do it. You know that MTV show "Made"? When they make nerds into ladies men. The staple of their strategy is to push the guy out of his comfort zone. Make him go talk to women. Do a combination of accepting yourself and forcing yourself out of your comfort zone sometimes and you'll be surprised how far you'll go.

You really seem like an average joe, OP. I don't see why girls wouldn't want to go out with you. None of the reasons you listed are particularly bad.

>>2412
>whining about trivial solvable problems without any thought of applying effort to overcome them
you're right OP, no one likes a loser

The thing is, OP, I was in basically the same situation when I was that age.

It'd be easy to say "cheer up and quit being a bitch because you'll find someone eventually," but that never helped me. However, I can say that the whole "friend zone" deal isn't as scary or permanent as it's depicted to be and can be overcome if you're willing to try. Understanding this means that you can start looking for love among your current group of friends who already know you and know exactly what they'd be getting into. Besides, that helps get rid of the initial awkwardness of the beginning of a relationship so you can get right to the fun parts.

>>2417
Your post is all just speculation and assumption. It's full of things you think girls are like but don't actually know.
You've already confirmed that things are this way in your mind so you just end up with a bad case of confirmation bias.
If a girl doesn't like you it's because (she's shallow, she wants money, she hates virgins) and not for any other reason (like she just may not be into you or may not be looking for a relationship right now)

You have to get over the self-loathing and get rid of these established expectations or you're going to run into a real self fulfilling prophecy.

>>2434
high five man, high five

You're making mountains out of molehills. The number of people who've come through these pages complaining that girls will hate them because they're a virgin at 21 or 25 or 18 and everyone else their age has already had sex and that means that they're a loser.

Here's the truth: There are people who have had sex, and those who haven't. If they care so much about your sexual reputation as to base their relationship decisions on it, then you probably aren't losing out that much. Only in TV shows and movies do people give a fuck.

1.) SO am I.
2.) Not everyone is. So you're a more retiring personality; this is not bad.
3.) So do a number of people.
4.) Yes, and?
5.) Bullshit, you're stereotyping women. I have been involved with and known women who have enjoyed literally everything on the planet from cars and mechanical repair to dolls and anime to music and technology to fucking all day and smoking an ounce of weed in a week.
7.) See above; anxiety about intimacy is perfectly normal too.
8.) The only girls you need to spend money on are prostitutes. Everyone else in this day and age will probably be happy to split checks as long as you're polite and nice about it, and given #14 you're fine there.
9.) Unless you're in a place where cars are essential, your ass can walk or ride a bus or a bike or a motorcycle or whatever the fuck.
10.) Walk. Work out, it's good for you. Or don't, whatever. One of my exes loves chubby men with beards. Maybe you'll just find someone like her.
11.) No experience necessary, just common sense and a kind disposition.
12.) "I lack passion for things except the things I'm passionate about." I sure as shit ain't passionate about cleaning my apartment or walking the dog or picking up heavy boxes at work or being out of weed but you don't see me making a big deal about that, because I am passionate about cooking and costuming and history and food and writing and living life.
13.) Spontaneity can be learned, and we're never as boring as we think we are.
14.) This is not a problem.
15.) I did until a year ago.

What I mean to say is this: You're doing more to harm your chances of a relationship by focusing on your perceived unsuitability for a relationship instead of focusing on turning outwards and looking for someone who likes you for who you are.

Don't put the cart before the horse. Don't assume failure before the experiment begins.