There's sort of a reason people left 4chins originally, it was mostly because it was quickly filled to the brim with edgy teenagers who thought that making racial slurs and hating on women "ironically" was the height of comedy. They've internalized that to the point where it's not longer irony or trying to be funny, it's just balls-out sincere beliefs that they've convinced themselves is logical and makes sense. Hence, why you get the reaction of "whoa man calm down" because to them "lol women" is water cooler talk.

Sometimes I lurk back on /a/ and it can still produce some interesting discussion, but in some ways 4 big dicks up my asshole has always been the place where edgy white male teens come to congregate. One of the things I like about 99chan is that no matter what your opinion is it will never be an echo chamber hugbox, you can have the most uncontroversial opinion ever and someone else will still argue about it just for the sake of it.

>>74628
I feel like there are a lot more pertinent issues on 4 big dicks up my asshole than "people say mean things about girls sometimes :(". It might be a symptom of the overall decline in discussion quality, but that decline is the main issue. People spent too long in their respective hugboxes and became unable to carry on a normal conversation, anyone who disagrees even slightly is "one of them", a shill or a JIDF or a girl or a normalfag or whatever, depending on what board we're talking about. And they've come under the impression that simply loudly pointing out the other person's supposed "one of them"-ness is a sufficient counterargument.

>>74629
You make a ballza point. I don't think it's "lol women." Maybe on other boards, which I didn't check out, but on /r9k/ it was less "lol women" and more "I'm so desperately lonely but I hate women why don't they want me fucking cunts."

"lol women" watercooler talk has a self-awareness to it. There was not a shred of self-awareness to be seen.

>loudly pointing out the other person's supposed "one of them"-ness is a sufficient counterargument.
In the ~2 hours I spent on there, there was a lot of accusing others of being "normies" for even mundane things. Sometimes it would come out in an ironic way, with an autistic "REEEEEE" text-shriek but there was also a lot of lucid rants along the lines of "get the fuck out of here, normie. This board isn't for you, it's for us. This is where we come to share our feels and you are an interloper." This is ironic because I remember when /r9k/ was a humour board, so the ronery posters are technically the latecomers who took over, not the "normies." Plus often the person they were accusing of being a "normie" was just mentioning something about "my friend said this" or having an awkward experience at a party. But if you go to parties or have a friend, you're not one of us and don't belong. The discussion is dominated by assumptions about group identity. I guess people want to feel like they belong, become subsumed in a group so they have a sense of identity, and anyone who violates that group identity, even in miniscule ways, is an "other." You violate the uniformity of the groupself, so you don't belong. But the groupself is an illusion built on assumptions about who uses the board and what it is for.

There was also a lot of discussion of "Chad", who is apparently the archetype of what /r9k/ thinks is an alpha male. And the most disturbing thing was that the majority of mentions of Chad were not in a humorous light (which itself can be harmful, I think, as even joking about these alpha/beta dynamics can reduce the world to that simplified mindset and affect someone's thinking; not that jokes are bad or anything but it's all about context) but very serious. There's a conspiratorial edge to it. If the users of the board are all subsumed in the "robot" identity, any man they see as better than them is subsumed into one person as well. So any guy who dates that girl you like at work is Chad. If it's Friday night, the girl you like is probably out sucking Chad's cock. etc.

>>74628
The quality of discussion is always better on 99chan. I think /r9k/ would see themselves as somewhere that is not a "hugbox" and where opinions are challenged. Just the only opinion they challenge seems to be "you can't lump all women into one category" and things like that. A thread about how "Chad" told the OP to just be himself to get girls, followed by 150 angry posts about how normies are so blind and "just be yourself" only works if you're 6'2 and a male model and make 6 figures but you're a 5'8 "manlet" don't these normies get it? They can never understand your pain.

I don't think it can be written off as just edgy white teenagers. I'm sure it is majority white, probably from middle class backgrounds, and averaging early-20s at the oldest, but that doesn't make it inconsequential to me. It's not just a bunch of teens trying to be edgy, it's people at an age where they are shaping their worldview in some key ways being subsumed by a group identity instead of finding an individual identity and spending all of their free time in a toxic environment.

"It's 4 big dicks up my asshole! You're not supposed to know what's a joke and what's not!" Then nothing is a joke.

99, while still full of petty bullshit fairly often, at least has a reasonable level of discussion. Unless loPan is posting.

4 big dicks up my asshole has never focused its antipathy towards any particular group, it's just a place where people can be shitty without repercussions. The "heart of misogyny" narrative that has been swirling around shitty commercial blogs has always been tiresome but the fact that people actually bought it is just disappointing.

Unsurprising, as imageboards make most traditional forms of journalism redundant or at least directly compete for people's attention. Labeling something as "misogynistic" is all too easy and successful not to do these days.

4 big dicks up my asshole lead to 7chan during that exodus, which lead to 78 which turned into 99. I've just flowed with the tide of movement for 11 nearly 12 years now.

>>74636

People need an identity. This is even more true of young adults trying to figure out their place in the world, and they found a place where they can express their woes. These websites give the modern person afloat in a commercial existence of buy-5-get-1-free advertisements and screaming Toyota salesmen a place where they can empathize with others and be empathized with, even if their problems are bullshit and self-imposed.

Modern society seems to have created a general feeling of danger and desperation among some that don't even have any major problems. This doesn't negate the fact that the stereotypical misogynist poster on any number of other boards where this mentality is popular does encounter real problems in his life. This isn't something new, and has been going on ever since their were guys and gals, but these boards are a place where the frustrated youngster can get rid of these feelings through catharsis and find some comfort in other people facing the same issues.

Is it healthy? Probably not, and some of their views are dangerous. But I think that misogyny, and misanthropy in general, is sort of a stage that a lot of people go through in their development. Some get stuck in it, or choose to remain that way for whatever reason.

I feel that a lot of this frustration comes from peoples inability to realistically better their situation in life, and is vented on those that appear antagonistic or different. In the past, if someone was hungry, they could walk until they found some food. It's not guaranteed that it would be successful, but they could at least try. Nowadays people are faced with homelessness, involuntary celibacy, and loneliness. Hunger isn't (as much of) a problem, but these issues that the incel faces are problems without an obvious step by step solution unlike the problems people have faced in the past. So this frustration at the inability to find an easy solution is taken out on others.

>>74666
I think your post is generally on point. Conceptually, I'm there with you. The only thing I take issue with is your massive oversimplification of historical lifestyles and problems which is woefully inaccurate and based on weird assumptions and ignorance.

Overall, I think you've painted a picture of why people are drawn to these environments and what they get out of them and do with them. But what time period and culture are you referring to when a hungry person could just walk and get some food and that was their most complex, nuanced problem?

>>74660

>4 big ds up my asshole has never focused its antipathy towards any particular group, it's just a place where people can be shitty without repercussions

It's also a place predominantly populated by white teenage-to-20s males. The shittiness is overwhelmingly targeted at women and minorities and very little is targeted at white males.

If you don't see the misogyny in /r9k/ or the racism in /pol/, I don't know how we're supposed to prove it to you. What is your standard of evidence?

>>74660
So the threads on /r9k/ about women not understanding or appreciating things on the same level as men, being incapable of "true" loneliness or sadness, being whores, etc etc. don't happen? Or if they happen they don't qualify as misogyny? Keep in mind, this thread wasn't about imageboards or even 4 big dicks up my asshole in general being misogynistic, but about a particular board's transformation from a general discussion and humour board to a seemingly niche board for repetitive sexist venting. Is /r9k/ as an environment built around misogyny a false narrative created by "commercial blogs" because misogyny is a hot buzzword?

I also noticed an implicit contrast in your post between imageboards and "commercial blogs" but keep in mind that 4 big dicks up my asshole itself is a large commercial enterprise, with advertisements, a captcha-bypassing paid membership system, and funding from venture capitalists. It is apparently generating a profit for the first time ever.

I am also curious about your claim that imageboards compete with journalism or make it redundant, which I hellza don't see as the case on any meaningful scale. Competing for attention, sure but I don't see how they make journalism redundant, especially when imageboards remain a fairly niche (though a large one) interest. I don't know anyone who admits to browsing imageboards but I know plenty of people who read Vice and NYT and the Toronto Star and on and on. So I'm curious to hear some expansion on this point.

I've never read anything, anywhere, about robot9000 being a misogynistic board (hence my surprise when revisiting it). You seem to be expanding the premise of the thread from one board's culture to an established narrative you have about certain media sources labeling things misogynistic for... reasons that you don't make clear other than it being too easy not to. (Generating clicks? Creating false controversy to gain readership?)

>>74668
>If you don't see the misogyny in /r9k/ or the racism in /pol/, I don't know how we're supposed to prove it to you.
It isn't homogeneous and doesn't pervade the site. I take issue with the fact that 4 big dicks up my asshole is consistently represented as some coherent, unified entity that collectively wishes to realize some women smashing ideology. If you go to a board created specifically for sexually frustrated permavirgins what do you think you're going to find? Does anyone take these bundle of stickss seriously?

>>74669
>particular board's transformation from a general discussion and humour board to a seemingly niche board for repetitive sexist venting
What "transformation" are you referring to? The aforementioned group latched on to r9k/and treated it as their bitter clubhouse from the start.


>implicit contrast in your post between imageboards and "commercial blogs"
It was hardly implicit.

>funding from venture capitalists
ahahahaha

>compete with journalism or make it redundant, which I hellza don't see as the case on any meaningful scale
I've seen "contributions" that literally reiterate a post that surfaced on reddit. The conversation is one directional and directly sponsored and controlled by whatever commercial interest happens to have payed for a tongue bath. Who wants to expose themselves to the mercenary opinions of a kid with a poorly chosen major?

>So I'm curious to hear some expansion on this point
They're shit, as are people who derive entertainment from them.

>>74672
>It isn't homogeneous and doesn't pervade the site. I take issue with the fact that 4 big ds up my asshole is consistently represented as some coherent, unified entity that collectively wishes to realize some women smashing ideology. If you go to a board created specifically for sexually frustrated permavirgins what do you think you're going to find? Does anyone take these bundle of stickss seriously?

It's funny because you constantly see places like Tumblr being portrayed as a homogeneous entity by these same people who ruse to 4's defense that you're not supposed to take entire boards seriously because they're inconvenient for them.

The fact is that while the chans might not be one completely homogenous hivemind, going something that goes against the "young white nerds like us are the least worst" narrative you'll be dogpiled on no matter where you are on the site.

>>74672
I can laugh at facts too. That doesn't make those facts untrue.

Again: I am not trying to portray 4 big dicks up my asshole as a misogynistic website so I don't know why you're taking issue with that stance. The only time I've seen 4 big dicks up my asshole referred to as a unified force is when people refer to it as some kind of hacker hub.

> If you go to a board created specifically for sexually frustrated permavirgins
It wasn't though. It was created for humourous discussion. It was basically created for people on /b/ who found /b/ too repetitive and meme-filled.
>Does anyone take these bundle of stickss seriously?
Yes and no. On the one hand, I feel like rationally I should go "I'll just leave these fucks to their misery." But that doesn't help me not be upset by seeing such a concentrated dose of toxic humanity.

>>74673
It's strange to me when people rag on tumblr as an ultra-feminist victimhood shithole. Again: those toxic places exist. This Is Thin Privilege is on tumblr, yes. And it is horrible. But tumblr is also an incredibly efficient way to avoid things you don't like (say, blogs run by 17 year old dragonkin omniromantic asexual self-diagnosed aspergers furries) and find content you like (like interior design, video art, or vintage science fiction covers). I quite like tumblr. I virtually never encounter militant reactionary gender politics, but I find lots of fetishized photos of music gear, which I love.

>>74673
>you constantly see places like Tumblr being portrayed as a homogeneous entity
Hey, human beings are all trogs who use the exact same absurd generalizations to disparage groups outside of their own. Using /r9k/ is exactly the same as using <16 year old "feminist" circles to predicate an evaluation of community upon.

>"young white nerds like us are the least worst" narrative
Try going anywhere on tumblr and mocking women. It's hardly surprising that directly insulting the dominant social group will result in some form of hostility.

>>74674
>It was basically created for people on /b/ who found /b/ too repetitive
Irrelevant. It quickly tended towards a hugbox for the socially maladjusted and got shut down, subsequently being reopened to appease those exact people.

>toxic
This word is being used far too often for my liking.

I know what you mean.

You know what else pisses me off? Pick up artits. http://www.rooshv.com/

>>74676

Haha, oh man, Roosh V cracks me up when I'm not busy hating him.

>My former brand of condom made it very hard for me to ejaculate. I’d be pumping away for more than twenty minutes until she just got tired and then I would lay in bed with a heavy set of balls. Sometimes she’d finish me off with her mouth but sometimes not, and I remember times I had to go home and jerk off after having sex. It was humiliating.

>Eventually I found out about thin condoms and blasting was no longer a problem, but I had to think of baseball or organic chemistry so I could at least hit the respectable 12 minute mark. I knew how to hold my orgasm by squeezing my pelvic muscles and would do that if I thought I didn’t go long enough, even though it would eventually result in a pitiful orgasm.

Twenty whole minutes! Roosh V the lovemaster! Please pay me money for my secrets on having brief, unsatisfying sex!

  >>74678

>>74678
Why do people buy his books?

>>74686
Never underestimate the poor judgement of lonely suckers. The short answer is that people actually think his BS works and that he's not lying about anything.

>>74687
>he's not lying about anything.
That's actually a fair insight. I would say, from what I've read, that there is a lot of outright bullshit, but enough of it is... plausible enough. It's built on enough of a kernel of truth that if you're lonely and angry and desperate, it can have the ring of truth and power. "Well, evolutionarily, alpha and beta and The Red Queen and beta providers/orbiters."

Here's a thread where someone asked "why do you come to /r9k/" and there are quite a few thoughtful, self-aware answers, including a handful of posts that mirror my experience and feelings almost exactly:
http://boards.4 big dicks up my asshole.org/r9k/thread/21891084/outline-the-absolute-basic-reason-as-to-why-youre

To paraphrase Voltaire: "if /r9k/ did not exist, it would be necessary to invent it."

In other words, /r9k/ is not the problem, but merely a symptom. All those disaffected, isolated twentysomething white males were disaffected and isolated before they got there. Am I supposed to be surprised that people would feel at home in a place where others in similar situations are there to understand exactly what they're going through? That's why there are a bunch of Wojaks on there, because people do know that feel and they like knowing that others know that feel.

It's my belief that 4 big dicks up my asshole's bread and butter - particularly on their boards like /b/ - are users who are all relatively new to the chan scene and that most people leave it within a year or two, either migrating to a different chan or "out-growing" the whole chan thing altogether. Of those users, most are too young to actually be there, and any of them who stick around into legal adulthood were destined to be (wo)manchildren anyway.

"Children can be so cruel" is all there hellza is to say about the shenanigans that they get up to around there.

>>74708
Tru dat
>>74709
Tru dat

>All those disaffected, isolated twentysomething white males were disaffected and isolated before they got there
>people would feel at home in a place where others in similar situations are there to understand
Succinctly put. Rationally I'm right there with you and understood that on my first glimpse of /r9k/ as it currently is, but it still got me down to see all the aggressively bad vibes. I think the main thing that upset me was just how a person could go there because they feel bad and want to interact with others who feel the same way, but then because the place is such an echo chamber, instead of people moving on and taking steps to grow past it, they just get caught up in it and hearing the same (or worse) shitty stuff that you're putting out reflected back to you could dig someone deeper and deeper. I was a little vulnerable at the time and it got me down and made me strangely angry. I can't imagine how it would affect me if I were perennially lonely or bullied or had never had a girlfriend, etc.

I think the main thing that upset me wasn't that all these people were congregating on a board I used to like. I was in a kind of vulnerable place and the whole atmosphere just got to me more than it normally would. I'm far from naive but every so often people can still smack me in the face with their shittiness and it gets me down :-/