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73415 No. 73415
What would your ideal life be like?
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>> No. 73425
>>73417
It's funny how quickly whites run the fuck away from this kind of thinking when they realize by that logic we should all be sucking the east Asian's balls and giving their kids to them. All of a sudden it becomes about partying and humor and having a ballza time tempered with intelligence and sex. Asians take it TOO SERIOUSLY MAAAAN. You gotta have fun. Well, guess what numbnuts, poor blacks feel the same about white people, that all they care about is money and success and they throw everything else under the bus to achieve it. At least Asians still have some kind of respect for community.

Yes, urban, poor, black culture is largely a culture of ignorance as would be predictable, poor white culture also tends to be a culture of ignorance all about fucking Duck Dynasty and the Honey Boo Boo and rebel flag camouflage. It's the same with poor Mexicans and poor Welshmen and poor Uyghers probably. Our school system is so pathetic because of all these dumbass whites and blacks that Asians can easily hack it by just working moderately hard.
>> No. 73432
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73432
Just being these guys.
>> No. 73444
>You need both if you want a prosperous and adaptable society.

You realize you just described Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and a host of others, right? Even China is being marginally impressive. This is what I mean about moving the goalposts, you say the blacks are stupid for not doing enough math problems and then turn around and say the Asians do too many without enough creativity. The Asians don't teach their kids to be computers, they teach them how to do what is needed when it comes to things that are useful. Engineering, science, a whole host of things. Creativity is only useful if it's useful and it's not always useful. Book learning is always useful, or at least useful much more often.
>> No. 73446
>>73444
Doesn't that part of the world have a high rate of depression and suicide?
>> No. 73447
I'm a house wife from the 50's except there's internet.
>> No. 73448
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73448
>>73425
>>Well, guess what numbnuts, poor blacks feel the same about white people, that all they care about is money and success and they throw everything else under the bus to achieve it

Is that why they try so hard to look rich and every rap song is about making dough?
>> No. 73453
I'm a house wife from the 50's except there's internet and my husband is the president. Also I draw furry porn
>> No. 73457
>>73446
And Africa and the middle east have the lowest rates of suicide. The people who trot out suicide rates as proof of anything other than relative religiosity are simpletons.
>> No. 73458
>>73456
People there don't have to commit suicide, the average lifespan is super short.
>> No. 73462
>>73461
Suggesting that us upstanding Americans would never cheat on such things and that literally every Asian cheats! This is putting aside the fact that the SAT isn't a ballza indicator of knowledge and ability to learn, but rather it's an indicator of the student's resources and ability to study for it.

And your one anecdote about a single person is somehow supposed to be the counter-weight to the fact that MIT is half Asian and Asians are grossly overrepresented in every respected technology school in the country. That's not even getting into how crazy overrepresented south Asians are in the medical field.

Again, it's white people who choose their field of play and then run around crying and grasping at straws when they find out someone is actually better than them at the game.
>> No. 73463
In the ol' USA the top students were all on amphetamines. Grades were basically a reflection of how much adderal a student had taken that semester.

Also keep in mind that cheating in higher levels is difficult. It is not enough to simply know the formula, you must be able to apply it. Most professors actually give you a formula sheet these days, since the verbatim information has an exponentially lower marginal utility than the theory behind it.
>> No. 73470
>>73463
I disagree. I'm at a top 10 school in my field [STEM] and have a perfect GPA. I have seen what you're talking about but it isn't the 'top students' that do it. It is those who thought they could work hard enough to be a top student but simply aren't smart enough. When they get there and realize that they were lied to, they do whatever they can to get an edge. It's much more prevalent in the medical fields just so you know [as far as I can tell] since that's a field that's all about 'putting in the work' (read - rote memorization).
>> No. 73473
>>73470
I'm also in a STEM field, not that it's entirely relevant to the argument, and while I haven't personally used amphetamines they aren't being used as a straight up substitute for "being smart". Academic outcomes are way more contingent on the information about problem sets you have entering an exam, procedural memory you've built up through grinding and your mental state. If people are using it to maintain a study regime It's just a substitute for willpower. Otherwise it's only functioning to prevent people from making the odd stupid mistake and maybe improving short term memory a bit.

If you're looking to disparage the credibility of grades of a reflection of cognitive ability, you needn't look further than the elaborate rings of exam banks and course material sharing.
>> No. 73481
>>73473

I could also point out empirical studies that demonstrate grades don't correlate with better outcomes, but course level does.

The people who got D's in the higher level courses had the exact same benefit as people who got A's. They also outperformed those who got A's in lower level courses, but never advanced.

Once I learned this it was like hearing the Gospel of Peter, everyone gets into heaven, even the sinners.

If grades can be empirically demonstrated to not be important, then it becomes a question of rationality. The rational GPA value is simply the GPA required to attain the next higher level. Working excessively hard to attain an A, is often therefore irrational. The student experiences diminishing marginal returns, and sacrifices scarce resources (time, energy, youth), for minute benefit.

Furthermore, the nature of science today is distributed. There is no need for a singular genius to invent the next generation of ideas. Error correction is the responsibility of the cloud. C students work best as a team, A students bicker, since they are more certain of their knowledge, and therefore biased towards their own assessments.
>> No. 73484
>>73481
I learned this early on, luckily. I only spend so long on certain questions when I do tests or assignments. If after a certain period of time it feels like I'm making little progress I just take a zero on the question and move on. That's rare though, I usually learn new shit fairly quickly and easily, even abstract bullshit. It usually only happens if I was ill-prepared or if the question is terrible.
>> No. 73485
You can move the goalposts if you want I guess. I was arguing against the point that 'all top students use amphetamines' which is patently untrue. If you want to argue that the current state of higher education is inadequate or promotes cheating, that's a whole different argument that might have some merit (I mean honestly I can't tell you about what I learned in a class from only a year ago).

>Academic outcomes are way more contingent on the information about problem sets you have entering an exam
I don't completely agree [about the way more part] but certainly that's a factor and that's why old tests circulate like wildfire among a lot of the B-C students. Sure a ballza deal of A students use them too because it's an advantage but I wouldn't say the top of the class usually does. One person I can think of doesn't even attend lectures [just reads the textbooks and other sources] and gets all As so \O.o/.

As for procedural memory and mental state, obviously if you don't have those in line you'll fail, but I don't think having these things in spades guarantees you an A. Ok, maybe procedural memory. The lack of retention is the biggest problem imo, and that being such a large factor is why.

>If you're looking to disparage the credibility of grades of a reflection of cognitive ability, you needn't look further than the elaborate rings of exam banks and course material sharing.
Couldn't agree more.
>> No. 73486
>>73481
You're still lumping people into arbitrary categories who share no discernible common features. You want to be an A student in STEM? Have an IQ above 110, actually buy the course material, show up to lectures, do problem sets and maybe get some past exams. Other than the application of those tactics there's absolutely no relatable features among people in that grade demo. The same applies to all groups. I'm not precluding the existence of consistent "archetypes" in these groups but generally there's virtually nothing qualitatively you can say about someone based on an isolated sample of academic performance.

>the responsibility of the cloud
Funny how a lot of those "A students" are destined for that exact cloud because of shitty economic factors.
>> No. 73487
>>73485
>One person I can think of doesn't even attend lectures [just reads the textbooks and other sources] and gets all As
I don't attend either and manage a mixture of B-As. The reason I'm able to do it is because all exam content is based on problem archetypes in the text. If you can get solution manuals and old versions of the text on the internet you're guaranteed a spot in the top 10%. All the marks I lose come from spacing out and doing something stupid or straight up not going over a section that appeared (strategically opted not to study for it, because there was only a small chance it was going to appear). The old exams not only give you info about problem sets themselves, but let you spend the least amount of time preparing for exams because you know exactly what sections are the most likely to appear. Information is fucking king.

And I'm just waiting for someone to spout the tired old "exams are designed to require creative thinking" line that a prof has fed to them. Do you hellza think any of these old fucks want to spend time designing specific problems for their course they almost never care about? Everything is systematic at this point and most are actually required by university policy to just adapt existing content from the course-affiliated text.
>> No. 73488
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>>73486
>You're still lumping people into arbitrary categories who share no discernible common features.

All I'm saying is the signal is in the course level, and that for that purpose grades are superfluous.

It's a basic and extremely well known case study in signalling and game theory. The employer wants to distinguish between high type and low type students. High types are classically assumed to do so through grades, therefore some employers will choose those with higher grades.

However, the average employer chooses for level. De rigor, level is the chosen signal of the high type.

There are many ways to interpret this, after the fact.

Grades are dependent measures, and often faulty. However, to enroll in a higher level course demonstrates initiative. It is assumed that everyone who at least attended the class, obtained some knowledge. And it's a cliche, but employers do prefer those who think outside the box, over those who demonstrate the ability to repeat information verbatim. To quote Donald Trump: "My secretary's got a great memory, but hellza I only hired her for her body."
>> No. 73492
>>73483
You're the one who categorized Asians as a generalized group of not valuing creativity. I could talk about them by their exact nationalities, but then people get on me for being too technical. For this purpose, however, it doesn't matter what nation you talk about, Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, and various others all do better in the American school system. Your characterization of them as rich is also misguided, many of them are third or fourth or even more generations removed at this point.

I also brought up the SAT because you mentioned the cheating part. In your google search link there was nothing other than Asian taking the SAT in foreign countries cheating this very year. That was literally your whole argument with that point, along with a single anecdote.

Again, it's just all this backpedaling. First bookschooling is important but then it's not, we can talk about Asians as one group but then we can't when you want to score a debate point. You can bring up cheating on the SAT yourself and then claim it's irrelevant.
>> No. 73507
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>>73492

Of course, there is truth in every rumor. That this other man may be racist should not bias observations. It is well known that grades represent a certain mania in East Asian countries. The studying is well in excess of that which is healthy or sustainable.

It goes without saying that East Asia is the most dynamic market, and rapidly evolving strategic region in the world. Creativity and cheating are a union, you cannot have one without the other. One must be creative in order to cheat. It gets harder every year.

Now I will supply my own anecdote:

When China opened for business, the culture shock was extreme. State controls meant that business had to be done on an informal basis of trust. As capitalism took effect, these informal relationships became formal, and founded the networks of patronage upon which the economy built itself. Since you are dealing with one branch or another of the patronage network, there's a certain restraint built into the system, an honor code.

When these businessmen began to deal with US companies, they were often naive. One executive found his American suppliers to not only be delinquent on deliveries, but demanding a further payment (obvious breach of contract). Of course the American company knew the legal arbitrage value, the understanding it is less expensive to negotiate than take the case to court. Also, any business that takes its suppliers to court is unlikely to last. The Chinese company ate its losses, but it quickly learned the way business was done in America.

This was the era of cocaine fueled e-bubble jockeys. An era of Enrons, Madoffs, and Cheneys. Cheating in the west was the norm. The case files on the subject are numerous and ubiquitous. Creative solutions are euphemisms for hypocrisy and rule bending. 'Critical thinking' replaces logic, because logic tends to follow laws.
>> No. 73514
>>73487
Nah, I mean the last class I had with him he came in asking about some random inane shit that was in the text but wasn't even covered by the class on review day (one day before the exam). Like he didn't ask even one question that ended up on the exam. His strategy is read the entire textbook and learn everything in it. That's far from 'know what's going to be on the test'. Dude just learns better that way I guess. I mean It's not like I know him, but with the questions he was asking there's no way that he was looking at any old exams. Funnily enough, in my last class our prof took his own test and got a 78%.

All of this is to say that while a knowledge of what will be tested on does help you, it's certainly not necessary to be a top student. On the flipside, knowing what's on the test doesn't 'guarantee' you anything as I know a lot of failing students that run in the circle of people that study all of the old exams.
>> No. 74869
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74869
>>73483
I felt the need to bump this year old thread to point out that most overseas Chinese from Southeast Asia are Hakka and Cantonese speakers of Min languages and not Han.

That's all, I'll take my ban now.

(NIGGA WAS NIGGA'D FOR THEIR NIGGA)
>> No. 74880
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74880
why do asians like lu bu so much when he died like a bitch chasing after some vagina
>> No. 74938
>>74880
Don't talk shit about Diao Chan
>> No. 74943
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>>74938
I like the Ravages of Time trap Diaochan best. It also has juggalo Zhang Fei.
>> No. 74955
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74955
>>73415
The year is 2007. The Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland are now unified under the name of The Independent Republic Of Ériu and has been topping the charts of least religious nations on Earth for years. I live in Dublin with a gorgeous, creative (though not necessarily "artsy") and energetic Danish girl who speaks four languages and is always eager to listen to me banging on about music and books and films and the kind of crap I like. She enjoys staying in on weekends and taking part in my many inane little projects and always always gets the best weed from her friends (who are all either unattractive but affable women or gay men who aren't loud queens) and, of course, likes getting freaky in bed. The rainy season lasts only a few sparse months throughout the year and instead we get clear blue skies most days (although it snows a lot during the winter). We have no neighbours and three bikes (in case one gets fucked). Our house doesn't have plumbing or power-related issues. Ever. We have four rooms. One, the biggest, we share. The other we turned into a multi-purpose studio complete with soundproof walls and the other two are our individual rooms because hey, sometimes we just need to be alone.

Even thought I have a PhD on physics and maths, I work half-time at a factory as a welder and I'm so ballza at what I do that I get paid enough to cover all necessities and finance our projects and the few luxuries we like to indulge in (mainly spending ridiculous amount of money on albums, musical instruments and books), althought I do agree to give a lecture every now and then at the local University. Similarly, she has a doctorate on chemistry and biology, but prefers teaching French and German to either old people or high schoolers (but not at our place; fuck that). We have a small but homely garden and one, maybe two cats at most. Every summer we travel through Europe (mostly by train) and every once and again we go somewhere exotic or visit eachother's native home and family (though in my case I try to make it as briefly as possible; there's a reason I left this place and people behind. I keep joking that we'll stop visiting once my mother dies, but deep down I'm serious). Every so often we have a fight that usually starts as awful existential crises that invariably result in an exercise in strengthening our relationship.

Occasionally we get lightly involved with the local art scene, mostly pertaining to music and literature, but we make a point of avoiding any and all ties to other people and their inevitable political agenda/"deep" philosophical thoughts. Everyone's nice enough, bar the inevitable insufferable cunt who wants to convert everyone to their political/philosophical stance. I usually put an end to their diatribe via knuckles to the jaw. She gets mad about it while in public but is secretly turned on by my displays of cavemanness. Hey, I'm pretty primitive and know it and don't give a shit.

We are both horrified by the idea of having children, which is why I got a vasectomy and she got her tubes tied, just to be extra sure. Neither of us like to drink or smoke (other than dat sweet ganja u kno w i mean boiii).


None of this will ever happen. Not even parts of it.
>> No. 74957
>>74955
that all sounds hella gay tbh fam, i didnt even read that shit
>> No. 74959
>>74957
How rude. You might be in the wrong place.
>> No. 74962
>>74957
How do you know it's hella gay if you didn't even read that shit?
>> No. 75000
>>74987
wat
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