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72892 No. 72892
Talk about a character who only redeemed themselves on their own deathbed.
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>> No. 72893
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72893
You mean like JFK?
>> No. 72930
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>>72892
Anyone else think that guy looks like nickleback?
>> No. 72943
>>72930
Man, don't get my hopes up. You made me think that he redeemed himself on his deathbed.
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rude
>> No. 72996
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http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DeathEqualsRedemption

It's a pretty common thing meng.
>> No. 72997
>>72996
Are we incapable of discussing entertainment without some basketball american linking tvtropes now?
>> No. 73000
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>>72997
People seem to dislike TVTropes mostly because assholes, sperglords, and creeps exist on the site, but the basic idea of it is ballza. It's giving a descriptive vocabulary for media to people who otherwise might have never put any critical thought into what they consume.
>> No. 73002
>>73000

Nice get. I agree, tvtropes is rather excellent at what it does, irrespective of the individuals that take part. The wiki magic article explains the process quite well.

It also condenses factoids in a way that would otherwise be impossible, given that they aren't particularly newsworthy or important, just interesting.
>> No. 73007
>>73000
I don't mind assholes, sperglords, et al, what's annoying is trying to discuss some book or TV show when some smug cunt drops in and posts nothing but a tvtropes link about how something vaguely similar to what we're trying to discuss happened in Naruto once.
>> No. 73008
>>73007
I would have lumped smug cunts in with assholes, but yes, as with anything a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing. That being said, the risk of giving smug cunts more things to be smug and cuntish about is a price I'm willing to pay to have more knowledge available more freely for everyone.
>> No. 73016
Fuck, I just started watch Legend of the Galactic Hereos. Episode 29, they recently spoke about Oberstein having a dog...
>> No. 73021
>>73016
Oberstein's dog doesn't even eat dog food. I think that was the joke.
>> No. 73035
>>73000
I once saw an episode of MythBusters where they did that "if you put a plane on a treadmill will it take off" thing and they tested it by using a truck to pull a long strip of tarp out from a plane in the opposite direction that the plane was moving. But because the experiment could not be done perfectly at that scale, the plane, which had its engines running, moved forward quite quickly and took off. They determined that yes, a plane would take off from a treadmill, despite the fact that their experiment was flawed and their conclusion went completely against any and every law of aerodynamics and lift.

>>73008
I feel like TVTropes gives knowledge maybe like a third of the time and the other two thirds it just creates semi-clever terminology for an event that happens semi-regularly in genre fiction of various media and lacks any real insight.
>> No. 73040
>>73035

You could say the same thing about most of literary criticism.
>> No. 73044
>>73035

>the other two thirds it just creates semi-clever terminology for an event that happens semi-regularly in genre fiction of various media and lacks any real insight.

It's almost as if TVTropes is dedicated to events that happen semi-regularly in genre fiction (or "tropes", if you will), and not in-depth media criticism.
>> No. 73048
>>73040
>>73044
point taken
>> No. 73049
>>73035
You've got to be trolling.

It's undeniable that a plane on a treadmill will take off because the wheels are free spinning. They have no pull on the plane going forward and because of that they would have negligible pull on the plane if it were on a treadmill.
>> No. 73052
>>73049
huh?
>> No. 73053
wait i get it now
>> No. 73054
>>73049
It's undeniable that it won't take off because in order to generate lift under the wings of the plane it needs to be moving, you stupid hooligan.
>> No. 73056
The wheels have little to no effect on the speed of the plane. They're just there to keep the body of the plane from grinding on the ground and making sparks.

If the wheels were powered by a motor, you would be right, because the treadmill would cancel that out. But they are not powered they are free-spinning. All of the forward motion comes from the propeller or the jet engine grabbing air from the front of the plane and pushing it out the rear -- thrust.

Take a CD and put a chopstick through the hole (or scotch tape roll, etc..), and roll it along a non-moving surface. Then roll it along a treadmill that's moving very fast, is it ripping your hand back with the full force of the treadmill and stopping you?
>> No. 73061
Imagine a plane that used a mag-lev runway now imagine we could slide the runway from under it keeping the mag-lev runway under the plane the whole time but the runway would be moving in the opposite direction of the plane at 200mph the plane would be unaffected. Doesn't matter how fast you move the maglev track as long as you keep the plane supported, and that's all the wheels are for.
>> No. 73062
>>73056
Planes, whether they be piston or jets, don't need the movement, though, just the air intake to push the plane forward. If the plane's wheels are on a treadmill capable of going fast enough to hold it, it is possible. Just very unlikely, due to the sheer amount of momentum the treadmill would have to absorb.

Imagine a fully functional plane, in the air, landing gear retracted, but it's held in the air by some kind of super-strong rod. You rev the engine and get it to max, but it's held in place by the super-strong rod. If that rod lets go suddenly (or gets cut with a pair of super strong scissors), the plane will fly, though it might be a bit rocky at first.

The point is that momentum only helps it so much, the main thing that keeps it in the air is the engine, the process of taking in air to generate thrust. Things like catapult-assisted take off are needed only because there's not enough runway for them to generate the necessary thrust. But if the whole surface of the carrier was a very fast-moving treadmill, they could stay in place and start "moving" when they leave the ground.
>> No. 73064
>>73062
It would be possible only if the wheels weren't able to spin freely and they somehow become stuck/jammed because they got too hot and the metal metled or something to make them not work like wheels.

If a treadmill were moving 10,000mph but the wheels on the plane were capable of spinning that fast without being damaged/melt/blow a tire then the plane would still take off.

Free spinning wheels cannot hold a plane back because they are free spinning.
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>>73062
This post is pretty stupid bro.

>Planes, whether they be piston or jets, don't need the movement, though, just the air intake to push the plane forward.

Let's start with some very basic definitions here: (From Wikipedia):
>Lift: A fluid flowing past the surface of a body exerts a force on it. Lift is the component of this force that is perpendicular to the oncoming flow direction.[1] It contrasts with the drag force, which is the component of the surface force parallel to the flow direction. If the fluid is air, the force is called an aerodynamic force. In water, it is called a hydrodynamic force.
>Momentum: In classical mechanics, linear momentum or translational momentum (pl. momenta; SI unit kg m/s, or equivalently, N s) is the product of the mass and velocity of an object. For example, a heavy truck moving rapidly has a large momentum—it takes a large or prolonged force to get the truck up to this speed, and it takes a large or prolonged force to bring it to a stop afterwards. If the truck were lighter, or moving more slowly, then it would have less momentum.
>Inertia: Inertia is the resistance of any physical object to any change in its state of motion, including changes to its speed and direction. It is the tendency of objects to keep moving in a straight line at constant velocity.

Right from the start, we can see that if there is no air flowing past the surface of the wing, there is no lift, and thus no takeoff.

The air intake is what pushes the plane forward so that it can gather lift and speed enough for liftoff. There is a mote of truth there though, the wheels aren't strictly necessary. You could put the plane on a slip-and-slide and it would take off, as long as there was enough room for it to build up adequate lift and speed to take off.

Also, once the plane is moving forward under its own engine power, it is no longer on the treadmill and becomes irrelevant to this discussion, considering that it's a discussion about whether a stationary plane on a treadmill can take off.

>If that rod lets go suddenly (or gets cut with a pair of super strong scissors), the plane will fly, though it might be a bit rocky at first.

Here is an experiment:
-Build a paper airplane
-Hold it as you normally would, and drop(NOT throw, drop it straight down) it from somewhere high up
-Observe its flight path, depending on the air temperature and pressure, wind direction etc of your chosen location, it should follow a kind of "J"-shaped curve, falling straight down for a few meters before leveling off and taking a slow, gliding descent

>The point is that momentum[sic] only helps it so much, the main thing that keeps it in the air is the engine
There is one main counter example to this (and the force that keeps the plane moving in a straight line is inertia, not momentum): Planes whose engines have stalled, or otherwise became nonfunctional midflight. If the plane is on a normal, horizontal flight path, it will begin a slow, gliding descent until it either lands, safely or otherwise, or the engine is restarted. If the engine stops, the plane will continue under its own inertia until air friction or collision with the ground or some other force stops it, it won't just fall straight down.

A wing, a parachute, and a sail seem very different at first, but in actuality they all operate in very similar ways, and none of them will move without air flowing over them.


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>>73064
>If a treadmill were moving 10,000mph but the wheels on the plane were capable of spinning that fast without being damaged/melt/blow a tire then the plane would still take off.

It doesn't matter how fast the treadmill is moving, because as long as the plane is not moving, the net force of the air flowing over the wings is zero, thus there is no lift, thus there is no takeoff. Please go back to middle school physics class.
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>>73066

He seems to think planes are helicopters that are propelled by their wheels...

Let's switch to an actually interesting discussion. Is it possible to build a true heavier than air Ornithopter?
>> No. 73072
>>73066
I agree completely that it doesn't matter how fast the treadmill is moving, it won't slow down the plane any amount that matters.


You're right that as long as the plane is not moving then it won't take off. But the thing is, and here is where you have to use your brain -- the treadmill will not stop the plane from moving. As long as the wheels are working properly and free spinning, a treadmill cannot stop a plane.
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>>73049 >>73056 >>73061 >>73064 and >>73072
Is Myself

http://www.airplaneonatreadmill.com/
>> No. 73077
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>>73069
They already exist, they're called birds.
>> No. 73082
>>73077

How Can Birds Be Real If Heavier Than Air Ornithopters Aren't Real?
>> No. 73084
>>73072
>>73073
If the plane has to move forward off of the treadmill to take off what's the fucking point of the treadmill you stupid bundle of sticks? You're telling me that the plane would take off despite being on the treadmill once it moves forward off of it, to which I say "no fucking shit, now go kill yourself you retarded piece of basketball american"
>> No. 73086
>>73084
oi vey
>> No. 73087
>>73084
Give it a 5 mile long treadmill that it can't get off of. It's still going to take off because the wheels are free spinning, so the treadmill will not cancel out the forward momentum of the plane. The forward thrust comes from air being pushed by the props/jet engines, not movement of the wheels.

The wheels would just spin faster to counter the movement of the treadmill and the plane would move forward anyway (not stay stationary and lift off; move forward and lift off) because the wheels are free spinning.
>> No. 73107
Guys I'm pretty sure Mythbusters already did an episode on this.
>> No. 73108
>>73084

It's cute that you're trolling, thank you for the activity here!

http://blog.xkcd.com/2008/09/09/the-goddamn-airplane-on-the-goddamn-treadmill/
>> No. 73109
>>73087
The question is whether a stationary airplane on a treadmill will take off. You keep posting fucking solutions that involve the plane moving off of the treadmill and not being stationary.

>>73108
Randall is a fucking hack and if it were up to me I'd permaban you and lock your house from the outside and then set it on fire for trying to use this godawful say-nothing page as an argument.
>> No. 73111
>>73109
The first mention of the problem was this

>I once saw an episode of MythBusters where they did that "if you put a plane on a treadmill will it take off" thing and they tested it by using a truck to pull a long strip of tarp out from a plane in the opposite direction that the plane was moving. But because the experiment could not be done perfectly at that scale, the plane, which had its engines running, moved forward quite quickly and took off. They determined that yes, a plane would take off from a treadmill, despite the fact that their experiment was flawed and their conclusion went completely against any and every law of aerodynamics and lift.

>>73035
It just mentions a plane trying to take off from a treadmill. That would work.
>> No. 73127
I never got altimeters. How does a plane know how high you are without a ruler. Is that one of the scientific gaps that god fills.
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Also, how does wind even work? Air doesn't move by itself. I don't think science can explain any of this.
>> No. 73129
>>73127

When I was 14, my priest showed me all the gaps God was capable of filling. It was quite a few, simultaneously, with the help of his friends.
>> No. 73130
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