I wonder what it must be like to live in Akihabara.

The porn industry already caters to perverts, who are the only people willing to pay anymore. Then we only import the weirdest porn, stuff that couldn't be found locally. It's the same reason German porn has a reputation for poop, or Russian for incest and nonconsent.

>>72112
I was not aware that things had to be imported from the German and Japanese Internet to the American Internet.

Thank you for enlightening me.

>>72112
Your statement made me realise how much of the "amateir" russian porn I've watched is supposed to be incest, so then I though wether you were right about the rape thing too, which led me to investigate (read: google rape per capita) and I took away some very interesting information.

I learned something important today thanks to porn.

>>72112
I thought germany had a reputation for hardcore BDSM, not poop.

>>72298
Both, really

>>72297
I don't think you can really draw any conclusions from that graph. I'm pretty sure the legal definition of rape is way more broad in Sweden than in the UAE, along with how easy it is for victims to report to police.

right. and what jap girl would report rape. plus, what jap cop would file a report for it.

>>72354
I seriously doubt rape happens often in Japan. It's amazing how polite and well behaved everyone is over there, these hooligans are more polite than Canadians.

>>72355
they are only polite as a business custom. get past being a customer and they have zero empathy or compassion. they are also very sexist and treat women like second class citizens

>>72360
You sound like someone who learned everything they know about Japan from anime and kotaku articles.

>>72360
Japanese just tend to be more stoic and disciplined when it comes to showing strong emotion in public. When it comes to sexism, Japan is once again a land of contradictions, on one hand they have the highest rate of working female professionals in the world, but on the other hand the the wage gap is also one of the largest in the industrialized world.

Like most places on Earth Japan's culture changes depending on whether you're in the inner city or out on a rural farm, or whether you're talking to a young person or an old fogey.

> on one hand they have the highest rate of working female professionals in the world, but on the other hand the the wage gap is also one of the largest in the industrialized world.

That's not a contradiction, that's just how economics work. If you can hire women workers for cheaper, all businesses will try to hire women workers because they will make more profit. A low wage for women results in a high employment rate for women. Don't tell the feminists though.

>>72364

The bias isn't in wages directly. It's in titles and promotion.

>>72367
Someone trying to undermine "feminists" on an imageboard misconstruing information? Never!

>>72364
These are professionals, not low-wage workers we're talking about here. As >>72367 said, the wage gap is mostly there because of that "glass ceiling" you keep hearing about where women are only allowed to advance so far within organizations.

But it is a broader cultural thing as well, much like it is in the US where women are conditioned to not ask for raised or better positions cuz modesty and humility and shit where men are conditioned to compete.

>>72107
I have a hypothesis about how and why Japan's otaku have a reputation for being hardcore, but it also fits "perverts" just as well.

Because of the relatively high population density of the country, it's easier for perverts (and nerds in general) who share similar interests to meet up with each other and encourage each other. An American basement dweller, for instance, is statistically less likely to have a friend going "yeah you should totally follow your dream of drawing furry rape" than a Japanese neet, so we get more prominent examples of the latter than the former.

Since they have a literally insular culture their particular tastes and predilections are going to be different from what they might be in other countries. There are obvious things like how they have nostalgia, boners, and nostalgia boners for varieties of school uniforms native to their country, but then there are less obvious things like how their panty fetish was partially caused by how Western underwear was a kind of status symbol in postwar Japan.

It also helps that the country is first-world enough to have the technologies to print books, make movies, manufacture toys, and spread information online. I can only imagine a future where countries like India could catch up with widescale industrialization and postindustrialization and the kind of nerds, perverts, and perverted nerds they could produce.

>>72370
I think that is changing somewhat, with that "lean in" shit that tries to make selling your soul to climb the corporate ladder into some sort of feminist empowerment narrative gaining some buzz/traction in the last year or two. At my job, often the Today show (an American morning chat/light news show) is on the TV in the background during morning shifts and about once every two weeks they have a "lifestyle expert" or "career coach" - usually an attractive woman in a pencil skirt and blouse - on to talk about "work/life balance" and how women can "have it all" and that they need to ask for that corner office, ask for that raise, push for promotions and keep up with the boys and on and on... Basically the corporate worker drone machine is trying to sell women on the same bullshit narrative that's been peddled to men since the late 40s in an effort to bring women into the lifeless, dream-crushing shithole of middle management and promotion-striving, now that they have broader options other than housewife.

It's the corporate, capitalist machine trying to co-opt feminism into another new (but old) form of suppression.

Lean in.

>>72372
Ehhh... I think your isolation theory is nullified by the internet. A basement dwelling NEET in rural Idaho or central Australia can log into a hentai forum and start reading vore manga just as easily as one living in Kyoto. Conversely, a NEET living in Tokyo is probably not going to leave his apartment to go socialize with other NEETs, just like his counterpart in Moose Jaw is not going to have much or any in-person contact with people of similar interests. If they do meet up, it's usually for something comparatively tame or SFW, like a Brony convention or a Sonic fandom meetup. I really can't see shy, socially awkward nerds who are financially dependent on their mothers meeting up to talk about furry rape comics and stroke their cocks in a big group.

But your broader point about getting together and encouraging each other is true, just in a virtual, online sense rather than a real-life sense. So while it may not have anything to do with population density or Japan specifically, the point about people circlejerking their way to more extreme or niche fetishes is true. Log onto forum, see extreme lolicon porn comics, make posts, see more porn, chat with likeminded individuals, and it grows and spirals and develops into its own nearly-self-contained world, as most closed online communities do.

Kind of like how I went to 4 big dicks up my asshole's fashion board thinking it's busy so I'll probably get a variety of advice, but what you instead get is a community that rewards a certain look, certain values and shuns pretty much anything else. A fashion board with that many users you'd think would have a wide variety of looks and input and advice, but instead you get a pretty unified aesthetic. It's a feedback loop that encourages broad conformity and spits out anyone who is determined to go against it.

What's wrong with being a pervert?

I think it's a simpler riddle than you might make it, which is simply that shame doesn't work the same way in Japan and east Asia. Western shame is rooted in religion and what is essentially thought crime. Not doing perverted things isn't enough, simply thinking about that stuff is grounds for hellfire, and that still permeates much of western culture. Not to turn it into "that thread" but it's the reason discourse around pedophilia is what it is. Everyone who thinks about it is almost certainly someone who diddles or rapes kids, or is thinking about it, going to. You should be strongly ashamed if you even think about it.

Anyway, in Japan and other countries shame is still a very present thing, but it's a matter of not shaming your family, rather than religious thought crimes. So long as you keep it in private and don't let anyone you know in on it, you're alright. Now this can also lead to problems, like the mentally ill basically being shoved in the closet and real issues surrounding them being ignored, amongst other things. Criminal justice is also affected by this, the government wants quick trials ending in convictions so they can shove the shameful person in a box and move on.

Still, this largely explains why there's a healthy industry of "shameful" porn in Japan, because so long as they keep it on the DL it's all ballza. The rest of the normies in Japan don't WANT to know or care about it. Out of sight, out of mind. The west is becoming more increasingly like this because of the weakening of religious values, meaning that similar porn is popping up with more frequency from western artists.

There are other factors, though. Young women in Japan have always been entertainers and muses, and it's not as much of a sexual thing, whereas women in the west had a slightly more narrow job set. Even when that started the change, most fictional stories were still inspired by old stories revolving around men, which is why a "strong female main character" that isn't painted as a bad thing is still considered something refreshing and novel in the 21st century. Meanwhile, the oldest surviving folk tale from Japan has a strong female protagonist as its lead who is known for NOT getting married. There's also the fact that, before those monsters at Nintendo, Japanese fiction aimed at kids/teens was always centered around humans, as opposed to anthromorphs. This also means that people started sexualizing these human characters. In the west, media was also always polarized between "Kids" and "Adult" with nothing in between, we wanted to pretend 15 year olds were as innocent as 8 year olds and thus had no specialized entertainment for them. This also wasn't the cage in Japan, where work appealing to teenager and young adult audiences was more common.

Population density and proximity could have been a factor in the pre-internet era, events like Comiket grew and people were able to trade their smut more freely, and knew they weren't alone with certain things. Like how Star Trek fans are known as a group today because they were able to gather in their conventions. A factor, but not the leading one, perhaps.

I could go on about how a simple fixation on young girls isn't necessarily a sexual thing, but that's another 5 paragraphs.

>>72453
What you refer to as two different definitions of shame has also been called the difference between a culture of guilt and a culture of shame.

The culture of guilt is more stereotypically associated with the West, where the negative feelings associated with transgressing sexual norms are supposed to be from a more internal source. The thoughtcrime analogy has its merits, but the real trick is that they're trying to get you to police your own thoughts. It may start by, say, telling you that doing bad things makes the baby Jesus cry, but the end goal is that doing bad things is supposed to make you cry.

The culture of shame is more stereotypical of the East. Rather than trying to control you from the inside they more blatantly control you from the outside. Shame, in this sense, works better in societies with strong senses of honor, as the threat of dishonor is one of the more common and reliable methods of shaming someone.

What I fear is that people with power will get ambitious and try to use both guilt and shame to control people so they have twice as many tools to control people twice as easily.

>>72450
>What's wrong with being a pervert?
Nothing, and yet everything.

By that I mean that the logical consequence of broadly tolerating people because we need to be able to, like, get along, man, because we need more ballza vibes in the world and need to stop with all the negativity, is that there is nothing wrong with perverts. So what if they have tastes and predilections that differ from your own? That's none of your business, and they're not really harming anyone.

On the other hand, when people are taught to trust their feelings and intuitions, then the kind of people who give them, like, bad vibes, man, because what a total creeper, right, are going to be even more harshly judged.

These paradoxes are what you get when you value feels over reals.

>>72557

How are emotions not real?

>>72560
You know damn well that that has nothing to do with the difference between feels and reals.

You're just saying that to try to make me look like an uncaring asshole in the desperate hope that everyone will join you in piling on me, and it's not going to work.

>>72561

>You know damn well that that has nothing to do with the difference between feels and reals.

What, then, is the difference between feels and reals if emotions are real?

>You're just saying that to try to make me look like an uncaring asshole in the desperate hope that everyone will join you in piling on me, and it's not going to work.

I think you're being a little paranoid. I asked you a question.

>>72565
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=feels+and+reals
are you even trying

rude

>>72453
It's like watching kittens play. It's not like you want to go fuck the kittens, you just think they are cute. That is the real ``moe´´, the warm feeling in your chest you get when watching something cute and wanting to protect it.

>>72574
>It's not like you want to go fuck the kittens
Speak for yourself. Some of those loli catgirls, damn.

That being said, warm, fuzzy emotions and boners aren't mutually exclusive.

>>72575
The point is that they're not intrinsically inclusive, but people act like if you're a guy and you're watching a show with a bunch of young girls in it, that you want to fuck those girls, which is not universally the case.

It's odd how men can find lolis endearing. As a female, I can't help but see them as twisted, uncanny (yet very aesthetically pleasing!) parodies of what girls really are. They don't feel like real humans.

>>72580
>(yet very aesthetically pleasing!)
You sure you're not getting it?

>>72580
Yeah, that's sorta the point. I've known a few different lolicons who claim at least that they have no interest in real children, only their anime lolis, and that's the reason. They're just humanesque enough to be relatable and be aesthetically pleasing but they don't come with a lot of bullshit that comes with real kids.

It's largely the same with adult anime waifus, it's creating another world to immerse yourself in that is much better than the real one.

>>72581
I don't find them endearing like kittens, I just find them pretty. Pretty like dolls, pretty like fashion store mannequins.

>>72577
Similar things can be said of any fandom. You could say that people were only fans of How I Met Your Mother because they want Neil Patrick Harris' cock in their ass. You need only give a passing glance to Tumblr to assume that people are fans of Sherlock because they want Benedict to cum in their batch.

>>72580
>It's odd how women can find yaoi endearing. As a male, I can't help but see them as twisted, uncanny (yet very large-handed!) parodies of what boys really are. They don't feel like real humans.
We can play this game all day, but ultimately it's easier to accept that different pieces of media target different demographics. Sometimes things exist that aren't designed to specifically appeal to you, and that's okay. That's why there are plenty of things out there so everyone has a chance of finding something they can like.

>>72587
yaoi is for girls, bara is for actual gays

>>72583
I really like girls' clothes. I don't mean that I am a transvestite or transsexual or anything, I just like looking at them and seeing cute girls in cute clothes and imagining what it would feel like to hug them and touch them and feel the different fabrics from their clothes. Pretty girls in nice clothes is one of life's small miracles, my biggest fantasy is to have a girl who is into cosplay and will basically play the part of a doll letting me dress her up in cute outfits and take pictures.

It's getting less and less related to the thread but before I started playing Touhou games, the reason I was attracted to the series in the first place was the variety of cute clothes the characters wear.

Going on what >>72587 said, you can even notice a subtle difference in how, for example, girls act in anime aimed toward girls, and how girls act in anime aimed toward boys. Even in shows where most of the cast are girls, in seinen and shounen anime, girls tend to fall more neatly into a stereotype than shoujo or josei anime. They tend to be "perfect", hard to read into and understand. But in girls' shows, the female characters tend to be much more "human" and with more realistic fears and worries and internal monologues, but at the same time the male characters seem to fit easily into stereotypes and their thoughts are usually secondary to the female characters. As a male watching Gekkan Shoujo Nozaki-kun, I just think that Nozaki is a huge frigging dork and wonder what his actual appeal is, but as a male reading watching Kiniro Mosaic I'm too enchanted by this group of cute girls like frolicking sprites without a human care in the world and who seem to live on tea and sweets and emit an aura of pure angelicness instead of bodily waste to think about it much. I can imagine it's trite and boring to a female viewer.

Anyway, so boys watch anime with perfect, idealized girls and fall in love with the ideal, and girls watch anime with perfect, idealized boys and fall in love with the ideal as well.

I want benedict to cum in my batch. sherlock holmes was a shitty shit show though

>>72583
It's strange to witness someone not understanding that they understand something

>>72590
do you think I could convince a dude like you to buy me pretty clothes

I have a huge boner for lolita dresses but spending money on them always makes me feel guilty

>>72594
I am pretty sure I don't understand. Otherwise I wouldn't find moe anime so boring, would I?

>>72595 not >>72590 but you reminded me of when I saw a girl at my college wearing a "lolita dress" or what have you. She looked stunning in it, and if I had the cash and she was my girlfriend I could see myself buying her dresses. As far as I know though, those dresses are super expensive, so ballza luck finding the right type of person who's both into them and also has the disposable income to buy them for you.

>>72597
>those dresses are super expensive
if you try to buy them off the rack, yeah. However, I thought a lot of the folks into that kind of quasi-historical/quasi-fantasy clothing made their own.

Sure, I'll readily grant that sewing machines and fabric are an upfront expense, and learning how to use them properly takes time, but if your goal is to have a steady lover and/or muse to wear all the pretty dresses for you, it might soon become well worth the investment.

>>72595
Probably. I myself won't, if that's what you were aiming at.

>>72596
I understand why people like lemons. That doesn't mean I like them. Fact is it's one of the very few foodstuffs I hate.