I've taken to lifting weights as to lower the probability of getting fucked over by large, intimidating men by being larger and more intimidating then they are.

I lift your mom's fat rolls out of the way before I bang her.

"What is needed" is decided by the same people who fuck over the common man, whether it be the state or some stuffed-suit fuckwit. Either play the game or leave the table, broham.

when i see you, i hope your vagina is moist, cuz i'm fuckin your sweet hole

strive to be uncommon. not in a status sense, but in the sense of leaving the table like >>72203 pointed out. The game is stacked against you, so the only way to win is not to play.

No, I don't mean the survivalist fantasy of living in a cabin in the woods that every 20something on an imageboard seems to think is the only way to disengage from predetermined structures and narratives

>>72210
>No, I don't mean[...]
So, what do you mean?

quit being a bottom bitch
being a top is quite nice

>>72217
That d is genuinely scary. The vein on top is freaking me out.

>>72217
I wish I had a giant cock like that, I'd just go around destroying the anuses and vaginas of whoever dared face the monster until I died of AIDS.

>>72217

Actually pretty gross looking.

>>72214
you have to decide that for yourself

it could involve some sort of pseudo-primitive-but-with-guns survivalist wet dream, sure, but there are a million other ways. but it's just funny and frustrating to me that that seems to be the definition of unconventional living or self-empowerment or whatever to imageboard nerds. right-wing isolation + gardening is apparently the be all end all of freedom

>>72214
Also a big part of why I could say what I don't mean but not specifically what I mean is that it's a struggle for me to articulate my goals and put my values into concrete steps in this regard. It takes a lot of work and imagination and it is daunting

>>72264
I think when most people ask these questions they ask how they can get along in like without all the bullshit.

The fact is that if you want modern amenities, general safety, etc. you have to play by society's rules. Sure, if you're exceptionally talented AND exceptionally lucky (or just lucky, but talent by itself doesn't mean shit nowadays), you can live some kind of "alternative lifestyle" happily without falling into the trappings of most middle class people. If not you just have to play the game, get a job you'll probably hate in more than one way, pay bills, suck up to managers, etc. People see this as having their life over or being dead inside because we've been conditioned into thinking that a mundane life is a bad one.

The idea of "disconnecting" from society isn't really a new one and certainly isn't right-wing exclusively. Especially in the US we have this conflicting idea of individualism, that a person can truly pave their own way and earn their way to a better life. This conflicts with the stark reality that your life, happiness, wealth, etc. are more or less outside your hands because society doesn't work that way. The only true way to break off is to have your own shelter that isn't controlled by a bank, get/grow your own food, and generally look after yourself. Anything else requires you to make money and play by society's rules to some extent.

If you're looking to simply not do what most people do, then there are options, such as the military or working abroad or dedicating your life to spiritual fulfillment, or various other things that might hold varying levels of interest.

I don't think someone should feel so bad because they end up as a desk monkey tapping behind a keyboard and chatting about the latest episode of Masterchef with the fat lady in the next cubicle. That's only some terrible life-over existence if you want it to be. Jobs are just there to get money for drugs/anime figures/guns/whatever the hell else makes you happy.

>>72264
Now that the basic physics behind it have been known for some time, a gun is actually a pretty simple thing to make. I don't mean some tacticool assault rifle, but a "primitive" musket-ish gun is pretty much just a metal tube, gunpowder, and an ignition source, people have built shit like that in prison before. It won't stop ATF or the zombie hordes or whoever it is that those prepper guys are worried about but you could probably hunt small game with it.

>>72269
I'm not sure what this post has to do with the discussion at hand but I find it intriguing and would like to know more about homemade firearms out of sheer curiosity!

>>72267
I like your strong sense of what you value socially!

>>72268
>That's only some terrible life-over existence if you want it to be
I dunno, man, I've had regular-joe jobs and I get massively, massively depressed. A 40-hour, 5 day work week eats up all your time. You get up, go to work, go home, barely have time to decompress, and then it's to bed for another work day. Kills me.

I do agree that to a certain extent a person has to play by society's rules, and I'm not trying to claim all social rules and structures (like money) are necessarily bad or to be avoided. It's less about money (or lack thereof) to me and more about self-actualization. Really, it's more about time. The ability to use as much of it as possible in the way of one's choosing with the fewest compromises or restrictions.

For me, that means working 20 hours/week, which has been nice as it's at a job I love and, were we in some sort of money-free utopia, I would do for free probably 10+hours/week because it makes me feel ballza. My main goal right now is to reduce the amount of money I need in my life to be fulfilled (right now I make about $20k/yr) while reducing the amount I "work", increasing the amount of time I spend making art and find more places to show it/perform/etc and make more connections with collaborators in that regard, and maximize the amount of traveling I can do with as little money as possible. I'm open to making more money if it's more fluid; ie, making 30k/year would be great because at my current lifestyle, that would mean I'd have 10-15k every year to put toward traveling and art projects (which I would like to link to the traveling, like going to art festivals to show work). I have no desire to live primitively, but an incredible desire for self-determination. I'd rather fill out grant applications on a yearly basis and have a fluctuating income with broad deadlines for work than a weekly paycheque and the daily commitment that requires, basically.

Some people value security above all else and if those people are happy working 40 hours/week as a bank teller or in IT or whatever, that's great.

It's funny to me that you listed being in the army as an example of unconventional living, because every career military person I've ever met has been incredibly conventional in their lifestyle and goals. Maybe they go out on a ship for exercises for 2 weeks every month and occasionally anchor in Hong Kong for a couple days but it's all so tightly organized and they're lives outside of their job at the base are incredibly mundane.

If I were to sum up this post, I'd say that it's not (necessarily) about escaping money or the need for money or rejecting all social ties and structures. It's about having a maximum amount of self-determination, a maximum amount of self-directed time. It's also about questioning what is presented as a "need" in our society. Like the necessity you list of "paying bills." Why is that a necessity? What bills do you really need? It's about thinking critically about those things. I meet a lot of people who go through the motions without ever stopping to consider it in a real way. They need a job because they have bills to pay but why do they have those bills and why do they need to pay them?

It is also worth noting that some, though not all, of what I have said here would change if I had kids.

>>72268
I'd also like to say I never meant to imply that breaking out of society is an exclusively right-wing thing. Just that any discussion I've ever seen of the subject on an imageboard (except this one :3) is primarily, if not exclusively, inundated with right wing survivalist viewpoints, as if that were the default of alternative living.

For example, someone starts a thread saying they are frustrated with the idea of having a job and feel claustrophobic in society's expectations of how to live one's life or feel a lot of pressure to go to university or whatever other big-ish picture thing and there will be some response about how if they don't like it they should move to the woods, build a shack, and grow their own food and make sure to have a handgun to defend your property.

That's a caricatured summary but I see it fair bit.

>>72285
>If I were to sum up this post, I'd say that it's not (necessarily) about escaping money or the need for money or rejecting all social ties and structures. It's about having a maximum amount of self-determination, a maximum amount of self-directed time.

That's understandable enough. If you don't mind living very modestly in some ways you can live off a fairly small income without working your ass off. Part of it is just time management, though. Many young people including myself have trouble with it when it comes to actually working a real schedule.

>Like the necessity you list of "paying bills." Why is that a necessity?

If you want electricity or running water, you're paying bills. I guess you can run all of your own electricity off of a generator, but that would end up being more expensive. You don't need a pile of bills, of course from a dozen different sources.

What you want is reasonably possible to get if you forgo things like kids and probably long-term relationships (unless you happen to find the dream spouse who shares the same goals as you), but it still might not happen all at once, some jobs might be cooler and might be more your speed but you might need experience for them.

  >>72307
I feel you on the time management front, though it's harder to make ballza use of free time when you have so much less of it. I'd rather struggle with discipline in too much free time than struggle with relaxing and having time to think in not enough free time.

My goal right now is to work toward a situation where i have a small live/work studio space where I can make all the mess and noise I need to. It's tough, but I don't mind living in shitty neighborhoods or not being super central so that opens up options. My girlfriend and I have also been talking about moving to a less central, more rural area but that has a new set of challenges when it comes to having to travel to the city. I'm looking for the dream of the best for less, I guess, and it's been a challenge. In the meantime, I'm paying close to twice the rent I'd like to be...

<-- Seeing this video of Brian Chippendale from Lightning Bolt/Black Pus showing his mill space hit pretty close to home for me

The real challenge I think will be living minimally/frugally while also having as much freedom and flexibility to travel as I want. Getting to a point artistically where people want to fly you out for gigs or whatever is very, very difficult, but I know quite a few musicians who have utilized government grants that cover travel expenses or provide tour funding for artists and musicians, which apparently aren't terribly difficult to get and make it considerably easier to break even or make a small profit from touring internationally. Although, on principal, I'd kind of like to be free from govt grants as well, though they are a virtually-necessary and very helpful semi-permanent stepping stone.

I'm rambling a bit, but if you can't tell, I'm trying to work this out for myself as much as articulate it in response to your posts.

As for your specific points, kids aren't anywhere on the horizon (at this point) and my girlfriend has no problem with me living with no furniture amid a mountain of casios, drums, samplers, canvasses, prints, paper cutouts, etc etc... I already basically live like that (except that I have 4 rooms instead of 1 and all that extra rent to pay!) and she likes it. She's very supportive and has some pretty lofty plans for travel, free living, etc, though she struggles with family pressure and a greater desire for financial security than I do. Her parents are a lawyer and a teacher, while mine are a woman who lived in a truck for 10 years and a guy who still goes to drone shows.

With the "why bills?" thing, I was thinking more about internet, hot showers (though I love me a nice bath), car payments, student debt that was acquired at 18 because going to post-secondary education was just the thing to do less than electricity or water.

>>72217

> The common man is consistently fucked over throughout history.
You've obviously never read Joseph Heller's Catch 22.
It's not a coloring book but don't let that put you off.