Is this generation so mired in postmodernist circlejerking that our instinctual reaction to videos of mass beheadings and executions is to make silly photoshops?

>>71859
I don't think finding/making humor out of terrible things (whether it be war or anything else) is a new postmodern internet thing. It's just all of the distasteful jokes that people use to only say in private can now be released to the world and documented as soon as they happen.

Also some of those nasheeds are actually kind of catchy

>>71859
When I start thinking about ISIS in public, I giggle, like I'm remembering an internet meme. That's all it really has become to me.

>>71941
That's what I was thinking but having trouble putting words to.

>>71943
ISIS-chan brings up an interesting philosophical point: is it a ballza idea to even take ISIS seriously? Do they suffer more from ridicule and belittling than they do from bombs?

>>71944
A few days ago I typed up a post talking about exactly that, but the file I tried to upload with it was over the filesize limit and I forgot about it since the post didn't go through.

But basically, the demographics of their main recruitment pool are pretty much the average imageboard demographics: frustrated, bored, underemployed single young men - which coincidentally there are a lot of in the middle east. By making them a laughing stock with those guys their manpower dries up and they'll go and find a crappy job stacking shelves or sit at home playing video games or something. Bombing them and meeting them with force has the opposite effect, all it does legitimize the entire IS rhetoric of "blah blah we are under attack by western kaffirs blah blah American imperialism blah blah allahu ackbar" and make those same bored losers go and flock to their banners.

Side thought: America pretty much needs to pull a complete U-turn on its policy in the middle east. Cut Israel loose, they are a blood-sucking parasite bereft of anything except whiny Jews sucking American tax money. Iran has massive energy and mineral reserves and a strategic location against Russia or China or IS or whoever the bogeyman of the day is today. Iran has the potential to become a pretty strong regional power, but they are suffocating under sanctions from the west (which were of course lobbied for by Israel). It would also mean that America wouldn't have to choke on Saudi dong for oil anymore and can call them out for the true and actual threat to peace in the region that they are when they start bombing their neighbors and funding Wahhabi militants.

Even if America didn't want to dump Israel, IS was actually the perfect chance for everyone involved and it was fucked up in every single way possible. Iran wanted their troops to form main part of a coalition against IS. Instead of telling them to fuck off. It would've been the perfect time to basically just let Iran deal with it and let Iranian soldiers die over it instead. The US could've dumped their entire shitheap mess they've made out of the Middle East on Iran's lap, while at the same time gaining favor with Iran and keeping Iran busy with even more internal problems.

Sorry for the triple post.

  >>71944
Considering they're just as likely to bomb you for making a cartoon as for bombing them, that's entirely likely.

Enjoy your unclean pigs, terrorists.

>>71947
Lately my thoughts on ISIS have basically been as follows: they've become an organized state. They repair roads, of a structure of government, have subsidized oil and agricultural industries, and fund (fucked up) schools. So they're a nation, and their foreign policy is basically killing everyone. I'm not sure why no one has done something about this. Like this is the one legitimate instance for a country to keep a standing army. The threat of violence most countries is minimal but here we have a bonafide rebel nation whose policy harkens back to Roman times. This is like one of those rare moments where it's like "YES, FINALLY, WE CAN MAKE USE OF OUR ARMIES!" But no one is doing that and I was puzzled as to why.

Your post has gave me stuff to think about though. I don't necessarily agree with all of it, but I'll mull it over in time and decide on it. I think it's alarmingly apparent, at the least, that shit is way more fuckey than the media is making it out to be. I think there are some parties who have an interest in seeing ISIS achieve a modicum of success who really shouldn't be interested in that. Which is depressing. I liked to think that most countries had come to a point where they actually put the prevention of violence and suffering one rung above their own worldly gains, but apparently not.

>>71983
> I liked to think that most countries had come to a point where they actually put the prevention of violence and suffering one rung above their own worldly gains

That's cute. You are cute.

>>71984
I try to be optimistic

>>71983
I think the main reason for a lack of intervention is that we don't want to mess things up even more. We've learned from the Iraq wars that nation building is hard and that our citizens don't really have the stomach for an indefinite military occupation. If we just send soldiers in, we kill some of them and for each one they get ten new recruits looking to fight in a holy war. At best, we keep the average person poor and miserable and prolong their pain.

What we should be doing is working on getting refugees out of ISIS controlled territory. The big problem there is that nobody wants them. It would be political suicide to suggest letting large numbers of people from ISIS into the US. And if just one participated in a terrorist act, the program would be shut down and they'd all get deported back.

That's why we're doing our best at containment and getting Arab allies invested in the fight. Turkey is probably the most important ally. They are close enough that they are going to be forced to fight no matter what, secular enough that there isn't a risk of them working with ISIS, and developed enough to take decent care of refugees.

>>71985
No offense, but you're being delusional. I used to think the same but look at the big picture long enough and you realize everything is about self-interest.

Isis will channel all the world's hatred, and give violent islam a black name. When ISIS is destroyed, the middle east will hopefully have learned its lesson. We let them commit atrocities to give us moral footing.

It took two world wars for Europe to leave the path of destruction. Some lessons have to be learned the hard way.

>>72114

However, Turkey seems to care only about exploiting its geographical location and position to render the Russian Black Sea fleet null. This requires nothing more from them than to simply exist. They know it. Everybody knows it. They don't even try to hide that fact. We can't ever call them out on it because they'll play the Russian card.

Turkey is an awful ally that commits genocide against and goes to war with fellow NATO members. It's comical when western leaders get frustrated by their lackluster support in all areas. It's like asking a bad partner to help out with household chores. When you confront them on this, they threaten to leave your insecure ass.

tl;dr: Turkey is in NATO for one reason and one reason only, asking any more from them is a lesson in futility.

The CIA should support a Zoroastrian restoration.

>>72204
The bloodline must be pure.

>>72199
> After that we let them kill each other - and by "them" I mean Sunni and Shia Muslims. I whole-heartedly support the notion of getting them to depopulate the entire region and then moving non-Muslims in to colonize it. If I could fling a meteor at every major Muslim city in the world without worrying about killing non-Muslims I would do it. If I could sink their lands into the seas I would do it.

Christ, what an asshole.

>>72114
>It would be political suicide to suggest letting large numbers of people from ISIS into the US. And if just one participated in a terrorist act, the program would be shut down and they'd all get deported back.


funny how this sounds with 5 months of hindsight.

internet PR? You mean like when they tried to use cat memes to lure people in or when they took selfies with nutella? Or did they do something like that more recently?

Sometimes I want to browse ISIS related twitters/facebook pages just to see what they post but I'm afraid that would put me on a government watchlist.

Speaking of ISIS, I recently learned about Sally Jones, a white middle aged ex-punk rocker who left her family to be with a 20 year old jihadi in Syria. She's pretty fascinating. She went from leather mini skirts to niqabs. Picture related, here's a drawing a friend of hers made on deviantart. Her DA account is now deactivated, sadly.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2753864/New-picture-emerges-British-jihadist-Sally-Jones-partner-new-born-baby-taken-ten-years-joined-ISIS.html

>In recent years she developed an interest in art, attempting to sell fantasy pictures as well as T-shirts, mugs and key rings through a niche website.
She adopted several online personas such as Skya and Catgel, and contributed to forums on conspiracy theories, witchcraft and black magic.

Jeez, what do you think her mind must be like?

It's pretty fun to dig through the DA accounts of Sally Jones's old friends. You find lots of tacky artworks related to her that you won't find in the newspapers.

Can you believe this lady is shooting up folks in Syria?

She left kind comments on the DA pages of her friends. Reading them feels odd. These days the media calls her Mrs.Terror and act like she's a big deal, but a few years ago she seemed like a sweet, nonthreathening old lady.

Here she is excited about a nice piece of art:
>"Oh my god sweetie .....i cant believe it i cant . Its just beautiful & i cant believe it i just adore the pentacle too everything about her . I love ya sweetie your amazing !you & all my friends have spoiled me you hellza have. Wow !Its about time i did you one too thankyou .......im going to show my son !"

Oh. Looks like Sally's been doxxed pretty thoroughly, actually.

https://www.cyberguerrilla.org/a/2013/?p=12287

This is interesting, though. One of her favorite images on DA was the anonymous logo. Jeez, how the heck did a woman like her end up with ISIS?

http://web.archive.org/web/20121006164649/http://catgel.deviantart.com/

From the terrorist's zazzle shop. I had to post it because the bad grammar on her "My hair may be blonde... but my brains not! got it! " poster amused me.

>>72199

One of the problems is you start to forget context in these situations. Simply allowing Christian refugees won't work, because most Mexican refugees are Christians and Christian Trump is building a wall to keep them out.

>>71946
Fucking this.
All U.S does is just sucking up for these jewrats.

>>75170
The thing about American Protestants like Trump is that pretty much since they started taking the liner notes in the Scofield Reference Bible seriously they've ranged from crypto-Zionism to open Zionism in their beliefs at the expense of Christian beliefs.

So yes, Middle Eastern Christians will frighten American Protestants with scary concepts like being in churches with actual history and worshiping Jesus instead of supporting the religion that took credit for letting Jesus get murdered.

I heard that Zionist evangelical churches were growing in popularity in Mexico. If they do overtake the Catholics there then the USA won't mind having more Protestant buttbuddies, but until then they're all evil brown drug-dealing murderous rapists.