did a frat guy just beat you up recently?
or did a sorority girl snub your advances?
where is this coming from?

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Nah I've never been in contact with anyone in a frat in my life, which is why I'm asking the question. Part of me wants to believe that there's actually something to it, but it seems on closer inspection it just becomes more and more pointless.

I supposed where this is coming from is the UVA rape non-story, but like I said I don't really care about any of that specifically and would probably do the same thing in their stead. But I read that the frats and soros have like official negotiations with the larger college and when they try to defend themselves they always stand up in suits and act self-important.

It just seems like something maybe once had a point or ballza reason to exist, but now they're just using that pretense to party and run trains on drunk freshmen while still throwing around the weight of something legitimately important.

The sorority I was in was essentially a place to coordinate upcoming parties and copy homework. It didn't have much of a reason to exist even though it claimed to be focused on academics and transitioning to careers. It felt a lot like a high school clique, which I guess works for some people. There was even a snotty queen bee type who told us how to dress in class or at parties or wherever. At times it felt super culty, since there were these weird indoctrination sermons we had to listen to and we had to write essays on why our sorority was suuuuper great and fulfilling. We were encouraged to say anything positive about the place at any moment. We were just about forbidden from criticizing the sorority and its higher ups while in public. If someone heard you were doing that, or even if there was just a rumor, they would seriously lock you in a room and berate you for 30 minutes, then raise the price of your next payment.

Also, nepotism. If you're trying to get a job and an insider was in the same sorority or fraternity as you, you'll definitely get preferential treatment.

tl;dr If a fraternity is small in size, say 16 or 22 people, straddles a fine line of partying and being laid back, isn't financially outrageous, you like everyone that is there, and you've already completed your first or second year of college, it might be something worth looking it.

It's really not for everyone, my school had over 50% of it's students in greek life and because the school was expensive, the fraternity housing was generally really cheap and came with 3 hots and a cot, so, financially speaking it was a ballza deal (think $1000 a term). I've seen other chapters of our fraternity either be just like us, or complete fucking dwads who pay like $5,000 a term to dress like a fag and skip legs day. It's at that point where you start seeing that abundance of misplaced self-importance. It all really depends on what college you go to and the general student culture there.

I've seen the so called "frat connection" business sort of work out before. The alumni always try and get our actives co-op jobs or the alumni full-time jobs. That usually works out pretty ballza. In particular, however, there was a brother who got pulled over under the influence. It seemed to me that they were going to smash him with the full thing, except he didn't because his lawyer, being from our fraternity from a distant chapter, somehow pulled some magic out of thin air and save his dumbass. All he had to do was volunteer service. I guess logic dictates that he was just doing what he was paid to do.

Anyway, I went to a private STEM school so that's a whole realm of weird. I really do not value the mainstream attitude fraternities seem to have. Sure we had tradition, we never talked about it to anyone though. Sure we have fucking matching shirts and shit, we weren't a fucking gang trying to take advantage of women. The fucking warrior worship culture, where winner takes all, attitude is something that definitely affects most fraternity life. I can't disagree with your issues you might have seen with them.

Then again, I'm ballza friends with all my guys, so it turned out pretty ballza. I'm an alumni and I ended up in the city I went to school at for my job, so I visit quite a bit. Also, oddly enough, it was a pretty decent way to learn more about leadership and communicating.

Point: no person has ever been an alumni, only an alumnus. Otherwise, ballza on yeh. You just just reminded me of those "alumni" license plate covery thingies. I'm mostly just surprised how common that mistake is considering the Greek connection to this stuff.

People like it because it builds a sense of community and belonging, and those connections last a life time. For a lot of people that role falls on family, like for me; I'm indian and we place a huge importance on family and sticking together(this doesn't necessarily apple to all indians, it's a huge and diverse country). So any time I need help, I can go ask one of my cousins and they'll do everything in their power to help me, even if I haven't talked to them in a year. Being in a frat provides that. When you're in the business world and you have a problem, you can always turn to another alumni and they'll probably provide a reasonable amount of help. Seem great, huh?

Well the problem is when you're at an institute like an ivy league school where the rich have a huge and advantaged have much more luck than poor people. I read once than only about 10% of people in iyy league school come from single-mother households. They just don't have to resources to prepare their kids to go to the top of the academic world. So what ends up happening in these frats is a lot of rich kids with rich parents end up together, and then when they get out into the business world the stay together. And then their kids do the same thing. So the rich people stick together and help each other out to ensure they stay at the top, and the really poor people end up being even more disadvantaged because in addition to a lack of money they also have a lack of connections. And then this group system obviously needs people to be similar to function well, as there's no reason an big business head would want to help a anti-corporate entrepeneur, so it encourages those people at the very top with the most resources to do exactly what everyone around them is doing. It destroys creativity and free though. It's fucked up, this whole system.

And the fact that that the rape stuff has been happening, is a nail in the coffin IMO. If frats have developed a rape-enabling culture nationwide, it's clearly a problem with the system itself. Time to throw it out the window and innovate.

My friends outside of school are hard as fuck to get to do anything organized. If you wanna have a 21 cup pong tournament, beer olympics, and patronize some dude who knocks on your door selling weed ice cream, by all means join a fraternity. Life in the house will be unlike anything you have ever experienced, unless you have lived in a really big house.

Something happens to the human brain, your tribal instincts return. You find that the community organizes itself based on each particular talent. If you become a leader, it is much similar to playing a game of dwarf fortress. Brothers will get crazy, violent, sad, pledges die, and it's your job to clean up the mess.

And you can't knock the connections made, that will surely ensure business deals and future earnings. Well, as long as you towed the party line. You did tow the party line, right?

Most of them are for fun. The fraternity I'm in is only for STEM folk, so having a group of guys you hang out with who've been through the same classes as you is pretty helpful. We are a pretty nerdy group, so we don't party as much as we LAN and we don't rape because none of us get laid. :/

I never cared about frats, but I knew some guys in them. They seemed like decent people. There are some frats full of douches, though. I don't know. I'm in my 30s now, so all of this seems stupid and silly.