I wonder, would two identical organisms in two identical environments behave identically?

I thought you said "woman's mind" at first and I got all excited because I thought we had finally made a functioning sex cyborg that wouldn't complain about my fetishes.

>>68834
Theoretically, yes. In practice, no.

>>68838
That's kinda what I think. It has interesting implications though. It means there's more to an organism than just a series of systems. It means that somewhere in all organisms there's just a touch of randomness.

Like we can make more and more sophisticated robots but we'll never be able to create "living" things until we figure out that elusive flavor of randomness present in all life.

>>68834

Is it even practically possible to have two perfectly identical organisms or even two perfectly identical environments?

>>68837
If you gave off the right type of vibe then the woman would be too nervous/exhilarated/aroused to complain.

I know a guy who fucks around with these kinds of worms and does mind control on them. His research is pretty fuckin creepy, since most of his projects involve cutting open some small animal and inserting stuff into its brain in order to control it. The mind control works by shooting photons at neurons, so if he wants to control a mouse he can put a wire in its head and make its brain do stuff, but with smaller things like these worms he can inject them with particles that get hot when a magnetic field is applied and can then make the worms do what he wants by changing the magnetic field.

>>68843
Has he come out as an evil genius yet or is he waiting until his research is further along?

>>68838
What makes you say that? Do we have any proof either way? I think it is likely they would do the same thing.

>>68843
Are you dating him? Because you should. He sounds awesome. How did he get into this stuff?

>>68843
How could I explain the concept of real life mind control to someone who's never heard of it?

>>68845
He is def on the genius side of things, but tries to convince people what he isn't doing isn't morally or ethically wrong and is in the name of progress. He is also German which makes it funny when he defends his tinkering.


>>68858
A hot stove is kind of like a mind control device. If you touch it, it will essentially make you move away from it and it's pretty much an involuntary action. With an actual mind control thing it will recreate some sensation that makes the animal want to do something. So it is like flip a switch and it feels like your hand is touching the stove. You could also think of it like a dog with a shock collar, and instead of actually shocking the dog when it crosses a line instead something stimulates the dog's brain to feel the pain of a shock. The process that is used to create the signal (in my friendo's research) is sending photons to the neurons that control whatever it is they want, so with the worms he sent it to whatever makes them feel heat and with mice I think it is a lot more complicated but the end result was he could control the direction it walked. So its literally a wire sending fake messages to the brain about what to do.

The roboroach http://www.fastcompany.com/3012672/tech-forecast/roboroach-a-99-creepy-crawly-cyborg-you-control-with-your-phone works similarly, and one thing to note is that eventually the roaches get used to the electric shocks that were controlling them and the roach controller is no longer effective (roboroach is a little bit lower tech though, and simulates the roach's antennae for the roach instead of directly making the brain feel something).

>>68893
Tell him to get on 99chan. And tell him he is incredibly awesome. Does he do this as a job or a hobby?

>>68843
This is called optogenetics. The visual perception lab I worked in over the summer was just getting into it. Before, they were primarily recording, but being able to supress activity of a group of neurons is useful for determining if a class of neurons is important to some perceptual task.

>>68843
the fuck? some sauce other than "muh friend" would be great. stuff doesn't start glowing (emitting photons) until they're super hot, and this means you'll be damaging tissiue.

>>68948
So you've got like a high school or less understanding of physics there. Photons can have practically any energy, and yes a visual photon is pretty high energy but not necessarily the ones used in the experiments. Also everything that has any temperature is emitting photons all the time unless it is a perfect white body (which as far as I know doesn't exist) or it is non baryonic matter (baryons are basically protons and neutrons). And second, it takes two seconds to google something like "photon activation of neurons" and you'll get papers like 10.1038/nmeth.2249. You could also just search "optogenetics" and get a nice wikipedia page that even includes video of visible light controlling c.elegans and how they did it (transfect a light activated protein into a neuron).

>>68837
> I thought you said "woman's mind" at first
Came here to post this.