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Anonymous 07/26/2018 (Thu) 01:11:05 No. 13
Sup guys. I have fond memories of browsing the 99chan politics board back in 2008. The chan political boards in general were so much better back then, wtf the happened!? How can we stop this board from turning into 4chan /pol/? should all the nazis be banished to /riech/?
dude there's like 10 posts here i think its gonna be ok
>How can we stop this board from turning into 4chan /pol/?
Where do you think you are?
>wtf the happened!?

During the Obama years the left developed a belief that it was absolutely unfailing morally superior, so open minded, and so self aware of their own failings that there was no possible way they could be wrong. Discussion ended and they did not even notice that the right was becoming increasingly moderate, but they could not be possibly be wrong, the right is nothing but self serving nazis.

And here we are.

Just because someone thinks you should be killed because you have 14 more hairs in your left eyebrow than your right does not mean they are completely wrong in everything that they believe, it only means they have a stupid idea. Until the left begins to see this blind spot and resumes speaking to the right we are at a stand still.

Trump unfortunately made things worse, but luckily he also had the side effect of pushing even more of the right towards the middle, but the left fixates on the 20 nazis that show up in DC and act like they represent everyone right of center.
You would be right, if you said the opposite of everything you just said.

There is a small kernel of truth there, in the sense that Democrats basically stopped caring about politics once Obama got elected, and this was due to haughtiness. This allowed the Republicans to sweep pretty much everything below him. Then when 2016 came around, the same dipshit Democrats that cared nothing for the midterm elections and let Republicans obstruct for 6 years howled like the political retards they were that Obama wasn't left enough and didn't get enough done about a host of issues. Many of these same dipshits aren't old enough to remember Bush, let alone anything that came before him.

So while the right was demonizing Obama/Hillary as some communist cabal that hates America, the left was demonizing them as Democrats who were basically Republicans. And this was sort of true, Obama was the most centrist President we've had in the modern era except for maybe Clinton, and Republicans had to run far-right to the point where they were basically just anarcho-capitalists who want to hand over the keys to banks and corporations to solve all our problems. Trump's rhetoric was a bit more centrist at times, talking about infastructure and vaguely promising people more healthcare, but those also happen to be the platforms Republicans oppose him on and haven't done shit about (Trump would be the most popular President in recent history if he actually managed to follow through).

Even then, Trump only pulled it out because he made wild promises to people in the midwest, that they would all have their old manufacturing jobs back, that everyone was going to have healthcare and no one was going to have to pay for it, that they were going to build up the infastructure, yadda yadda. But even then, the only way he was able to eke it out is because of a new thing where whoever wins the last major news cycle of the season wins the election, Comey handed the close election to Trump by making the last news cycle all about Hillary's emails for the seventh time.

Republicans have been getting slaughtered in down-ballot special elections, particularly in the midwest, and every news cycle is fucking terrible for Trump. Democrats are still dipshits but now they're motivated dipshits who aren't going to binge-watch transgender documentaries instead of voting.

Politics is the way it is because it's become all about what people hate. Buck-toothed yokel hates OBAMMER because SOSHALIZM but only has healthcare for their diabetes because Obama expanded Medicaid. Rainbow-haired campus freakazoid hates everyone outside the city because they're RAYCISHET NAZIS even though they grow all the soy and corn paste they shove in their trendy, opulent vegan cock-holes.

And the only way we get out of it is if we stop obsessing on Breitbart Diabetes Dan or Non-Binary Brittany. Well the left loses its mind over 20 Nazis in DC, the right tries to scare monger over 20 queers on a college campus complaining about taco appropriation. Neither of these things is particularly important, and until the various clueless dipshits in our country collectively realize that, it's only going to worse until it all falls apart. Probably due to the next financial crisis no one is preparing for or doing anything about.
>You would be right, if you said the opposite of everything you just said.

I think you meant to say "I would agree with you if you said the opposite of everything you said."

You seem to be filtering your reason through your ideology.

The middle decides the election, not the bases, a president either moves to the middle or does not get a second term. The opposing side never sees this move to the middle, they focus on those few issues that are to feed and maintain the base, these also serve to make sure the middle stays put and helps solidify the base on the other side as well. Only one or two of these issues are serious, the rest never have a chance to go anywhere, they are just to stir the pot. The base is always outraged by the move to middle and generally stop caring, but they stay put and still do a party vote, they are the base after all.

The right still bitches about being betrayed by Jr when he turned moderate, they see Bill as a socialist and Obama as a communist.

Calling the other side 'obstructionist' is bullshit, they were elected to stop certain legislation, they are doing the job they were elected to do. Talk like this is essentially advocating for a single party system or a monarchy, not democracy. One side is always 'obstructing' the other, but it is only on those few issues that are there to feed the bases, the rest of the time they work fairly well together with the exception of those select representatives/senators that are safe for the next election or not running and willing to play the game. These are the Hatchet Men and Woman and anything they say should just be ignored.

Also, the manufacturing sector in the midwest largely died in the 80s/90s, what remains is small scale and industrial, both of which are fairly safe and stable, even through the recession. It still is cheaper to build that massive tractor in farm country than ship it after all. You are playing politics here and clearly have spent little time in the midwest and any you have spent was likely in the big cities. But this is another discussion, you just brought it up to rant, not further an idea.

The bases are only worth considering if they become unbalanced or show signs of a split. Trump will have repaired most of the split on the left caused by Bernie, fear will unify them, just as Obama and the DNC did with the right and the Tea Party.
The radicalization of the right is a direct result of the cultural marxism we are currently all up to our necks in at work, school, and in the home.
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The "far" Right is only radical in comparison to today's far Left climate. And its only limited to the West.

Most "far Right radicals" have very milquetoast opinions compared to the rest of the world. Anybody from Asia, Africa, etc. can agree with most everything that (let's say) Jared Taylor preaches.


Nobody really refers to Tibetans as far right in any capacity.
>The middle decides the election, not the bases, a president either moves to the middle or does not get a second term.

That's simply a product of midterm elections, a President usually gets handicapped after two years, and has to move to the center to get anything done. But it's also less true nowadays. Obama didn't "move to the center", he started out there, his stimulus was filled with tax cuts Republicans claim to enjoy and Obamacare was literally plagiarized from the Heritage Foundation, with the only one having tried it before being Republican Mitt Romney. Because that ineffective, complicated, centrist homunculus of a program largely failed in many aspects, he couldn't do anything after the midterms.

>The right still bitches about being betrayed by Jr when he turned moderate

When was that exactly? One could argue that on immigration, but he didn't really move to the center on that issue, the Republican electorate just ran to the right. Bush, for all his faults, was probably one of the most ideologically consistent Presidents we've ever had.

I hope Trump moves away from the neocon corporate lackeys and actually pursue an economic nationalist agenda, even if it means working with Dems to do so. He could have done that since the beginning, if he actually had the balls to tell the neocons in his cabinet to fuck off. But it's not really surprising, as the guy has pretty much no convictions.

>Also, the manufacturing sector in the midwest largely died in the 80s/90s, what remains is small scale and industrial, both of which are fairly safe and stable, even through the recession.

I… agree? I'm not the one claiming that we SHOULD try to bring the factories back. The younger generation in the midwest is only obsessed with "bringing back manufacturing" because they remember their daddies getting great pay and benefits. But they only got such great pay because of UNIONS, not because they worked in manufacturing. Those jobs were shit and few people would actually want them today, they just want the pay. Many manufacturing jobs are coming back, but they pay a third of what they used to with shitty benefits.

I'm just pointing out the fact that midwestern politics is obsessed with the dead manufacturing sector, and Trump successfully exploited that obsession by promising to bring them all back.

Places in the midwest and appalachians would be much better off if they stopped getting high off of the past and started living in the present. Sorry, someone with no formal education can't expect to be handed a $30/hr union-protected job with great bennies.

>they see Bill as a socialist and Obama as a communist.

Which shows the depth of the ignorance and hysteria. They were both corporatists who would be seen as conservative righties in literally any other part of the world.
That's because you (and most of the west) hyperfocus on identity issues in relation to the left-right political paradigm. In the rest of the world, identity issues certainly exist, but they don't cut as cleanly according to our definitions. Radical groups in South America looking to smash capitalism can also be socially conservative and xenophobic compared to us. 60 or so years ago, social and racial issues divided both the "left" and the "right" even in the US.

The alt-right, far-right, etc. are just euphemisms for "white supremacist" which isn't necessarily right at all if you define it purely along economic lines. But that begs the question as to what it even means to be right or left in a society which hasn't had a real monarchy in decades if not centuries.
>That's simply a product of midterm elections,
Nah, if the left and the right decided elections we would easily be able to predict any election. It is not hard to see that middle decides most of the federal elections, just look into the numbers, it is all there.

>Obama didn't "move to the center"

You give an example of his moving to center right there, if he had not we would have either had health care or none, but instead he shifted a tad right and we got the AMA.

>The younger generation in the midwest is only obsessed with "bringing back manufacturing"

You really have no contact with the midwest, there are not that many people crying for manufacturing, mostly just those ones who got hit by a shutdown in the past decade, it is a small group spread about in little pockets. It is still another discussion and you just brought it up to rant.

>Which shows the depth of the ignorance and hysteria

Does not really show anything, it is just the base being the base, both sides do it.

You sort of seem like a troll, but I think you are serious. Probably best if you just focus on the politics of your own country.
The center does not exist, it's a fictional place that belongs to the left and the right. It's defined by where the two poles are.

The reason politics has become so radical is because the policies the left brought in during the 60s and 70s are starting to become evident to the average person. The conservatives who lived out in the middle of no where are now being touched by the immigration acts. They're seeing their communities destroyed and crimes rising. They responded by wanting to know why it was happening and figured out all the racial stuff.

In the current climate no one sets out to be a nazi. They're literally Hitler. What happens is they have something they care about shit on by the left and start trying to understand why. Why is feminism destroying gaming? Why are movies now diversity fests with no plot? Why does the economy keep collapsing and fucking everyone over? These things act as the spark which wakes them up. They start to investigate and end up sooner or later at the Jewish question. Then it just becomes a matter of survival instinct to reject the current system and become radical.

The difference in politics boards now as opposed to the past is a two fold problem. The first problem (if you want to call it that) is that we have a massive political divide due to the extreme nature of our environment. The left want to push trannies and the right wants all the left dead for denying reality. You can't have both co existing because they are enemies and realize it. You cannot have the genderfluid shit co existing with people who see that as a disease trying to infect their children. It's that extreme.

The second issue is imageboards in general have shit the bed. Any one functional has left to go some where else for multiple reasons I won't go into. What is left is people who save images but don't understand why the image is true. It's like shooting a gun VS making a bullet. You know it goes bang but you don't know about the gun powder making it go bang. They're not intellectuals, they don't wish to know more, they just know the right answer without knowing why it's right. And that's your political population of image boards. Any one else is hidden away to escape those people.
>The center does not exist.
I guess you can say the center does not exist in the sense that you are either left or right of center, but center is just the way this society lumps everyone who does not fit into the RNC or DNC and their offshoot parties. This is just semantics, most people in this country do not align with either the DNC or RNC or any of their spawn.

>They responded by wanting to know why it was happening and figured out all the racial stuff.

You should probably visit some of these communities in the middle of nowhere, I am sure there are some like this, but they are in the minority from everything I see in the world. The major media outlets just love to find the outlier and make it out to be the norm.

>They're literally Hitler.

This entire paragraph is non-sense, you are making a massive over simplification and reducing things way to far.

>The difference in politics boards.

Politics boards have nothing to do with reality and are mainly entertainment, even in the old days. Sure folks who bother to learn about government and politics happen in and have some good conversations, but it still was primarily /pol/ bullshit. No one remembers the endless pile of garbage threads but there were enough of them that /reich/ was born and even getting them out of pol did not decrease the crap fest that is/was /pol/.

>The second issue is imageboards in general have shit the bed.

Meh, they have a slightly worse signal to noise ratio these days, but outside of 4chan things are pretty good and there are some fairly great small imageboards out there. The big boards imploded and the small ones proliferated, you may not be able to get a one stop shop, but they each have their own strengths and very little noise.
>The reason politics has become so radical is because the policies the left brought in during the 60s and 70s are starting to become evident to the average person.

What specific policies were those? What specific laws were passed during the "60s and 70s" that caused the current immigration issues? The truth is, you can't answer these questions, because it has nothing to do with "the left" or even the 60s-70s, it has to do with the 80s when Ronald Reagan granted amnesty to a shitload of illegal immigrants as part of a plan to kick the can down the road. This sent the message that if you come here illegally and just wait a while, America will make you legal just to be done with the problem. Of course, the agricultural industry loved the idea of unlimited illegals. And the Republicans successfully crafted a false version of reality where instead of blaming Reagan or Big Ag for mass migration, they blamed liberals, who literally had nothing to do with it. True leftists throughout the 20th century and today support overhauling the system to actually fit the needs of the modern era. No version of Marxism can survive with uncontrolled mass immigration. Leftists and everyone with half a brain opposes the current situation because it's literal chaos at the border with kids being thrown in cages, all as part of a political game to get a wall, instead of overhauling the underlying system.

That's the thing, the right can only survive when they can convince angry rural people that something false is true. And rather than trying to actually fix any problems, they just look to make their uneducated "base" more rabid and spiteful and afraid. The fact that you're using video games and movies as the source of grievance is a time-tested strategy to make sure social conservatives (of the more middle-class or privileged variety) never consider leftist policies no matter how much it would help them. The old right-wing did it with modern art and movies back in the 20s-30s.

Reagan granted a blanket deferral of deportation for children under 18 who were living with a parent who was legalizing under the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986. That law (created by congress, not Reagan) was a compromise law which did the following:

- required employers to attest to their employees' citizenship status;
- made it illegal to hire or recruit illegal aliens knowingly;
- legalized certain seasonal agricultural illegal aliens, and;
- legalized illegal aliens who entered the United States before January 1, 1982 and had resided there continuously with the penalty of a fine, back taxes due, and admission of guilt; candidates were required to prove that they were not guilty of crimes, that they were in the country before January 1, 1982, and that they possessed at least a minimal knowledge about U.S. history, government, and the English language.

The part where illegal aliens were allowed citizenship was a compromise, due to pressure by leftist civil rights groups who were working towards keeping illegal aliens in the country and changing the laws to allow more in. As they do today, they were only working towards the rights of non-white immigrants. The executive action by Reagan was to avoid the obvious bad press that would come from "OMG the evil racists are splitting up FAMILIES" that we've incidentally seen in recent months.
So now the goalposts have moved from "leftist policies of the 60s and 70s" to "leftist activist groups" operating in the 80s. Which still isn't true, illegal immigration activism was almost nonexistent back then, and people like Cesar Chavez opposed illegal immigration. There were a number of compromises made during the bill, but the idea of mass deportation and a border wall was never on the table to compromised away. All sides recognized there was a problem, and all sides recognized that it had to be addressed in a practical way that wouldn't make us look worse than the Soviet Union.

In any case, the Republicans controlled part if not all of Congress for the vast majority of the time since 1986. They've owned trifectas for 10 of those years. Yet they still refuse to do anything substantial on the issue. It's pretty easy to see why. One, actually enforcing the laws would mean throwing white business owners in jail for years and years, as well as aggressively ensuring that everyone employed in any capacity in the US is doing so legally. Which means every Trumpy Republican will need to show proof their house cleaners and landscapers are legal residents, on an official payroll, and are paying taxes. LOL NOT HAPPENING.

But the other part is that immigration is more useful as a wedge issue. Actually fixing the issue and letting some time pass would mean that Republicans would no longer be able to use it to stoke fear. They're doing the same thing on abortion and healthcare. Roe v. Wade and Obamacare are worth infinitely more alive than dead, and despite all the crowing on the left, there's no way a court with even 9 conservatives on it are going to overturn Roe. And it's also the reason you'll never see substantial immigration reform until Dems take the Senate again and compromise with post-Trump Republicans.

Rural people largely do not care about immigration except at the boarder were they have to deal immigrants and drug runners making a mess of their property. Illegal immigrants in this country largely avoid small rural communities, it is to hard to go unnoticed. This whole angry ignorant rural folk brainwashed by the RNC is propaganda of the left and purely politic. You are just a tool if you regurgitate this non-sense.

The reason the right does well in rural areas is because the left has largely ignored them for a good number of decades and many still see the damage that things like progressive property and inheritance taxes did to the family farm.

You are half right, immigration (illegal) is not so much a wedge issue but just politics, playing to the bases. Simple fact that migrant labor is needed in this country, a great number of them only come for short time, save up or send money home and then head back, the right does not want to deport these people and the left does not want to make the citizens, they both know if these jobs were on the books and taxed the increase in many prices the average person would see would kill them come election time.

The same goes for refugees and legal immigrants, it is just politics on both sides and exploiting the fact that most of America has no idea how easy it is to come here legally, whether you just want to move here or are fleeing a bad situation.


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