I was just reading that article. I have no strong opinions, not being a gamer and all, but honestly? None of that sounds so bad, unless you're deeply rooted in the instant-gratification, Internet-since-middle-school generation.

>>521
>not being a gamer and all

Well, no shit. If you were, you'd realize how much this industry is fucking us over, and how useful idiots and pundits are helping them by telling people to "quit whining".

Remember back in the '90s when a new CD was 22 bucks? People bitched enough, and more importantly, started pirating, and they dropped the prices. Same principle here. Bitching alone won't do shit, but getting enough people talking will.

Check out this video for a similar perspective: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/5743-You-Should-Be-Mad-at-Diablo-IIIs-Always-Online-DRM

I just skimmed the article to get the four points

AND THEN I PUT ON MY RAGE FACE

>>521
motherfucker I am going to lay out a scenario so your non-gamer ass can understand this.

You just bought a movie. I cost you $60, which seems a bit steep but hey, movies are more expensive to make these days, right? And you had to buy it new, because if you got it secondhand you wouldn't be able to activate it with the already-used code on the back via netflix.

That's right, you have a physical copy of the movie in your dvd player, but unless you activate it online that shit ain't gonna play fuck all. Anyway, you get it activated, you've got your fucking popcorn, and you are enjoying your god damn movie. But what's this? Right at the climax a fucking advertisement pops up. This is not some subliminal 'attractive celebrity stars enjoying a slow-mo coke together' ad (though there's plenty of that as well). No. The movie fades to black and a promo for your local Walmart's current deals pops up, just like the shit that would happen while watching TV. It's very jarring, but hey, they gotta pay for these servers somehow right?

Speaking of servers, the ad has finally ended and your movie is playing again WHEN SUDDENLY. You find yourself at the netflix main menu. Before you can reach under your ass to find the remote you must have sat on and turn your shit back on, a pop-up appears on screen informing you that the connection to the server has been lost. You check your router and all that shit, but soon realize that it's fucking friday night; peak traffic hours for netflix and the server is probably overloaded. You resign yourself to the fact that you might have to wait until midnight to finish your movie, but remember that this happens every weekend and everybody stays up late so you really wont be any better off. Maybe you'll just finish it tomorrow. Or monday before work.


FUCK
THAT
SHIT

WHEN I SHELL OUT THAT KIND OF MONEY FOR A LITTLE ESCAPISM THE LAST THING I NEED IS THESE CONSTANT REMINDERS THAT A CORPORATE WORLD STILL HAS IT'S DICK UP MY ASS, NOT TO MENTION THAT I AM NOW GIVING THEM THE MONEY THEY NEED TO STUFF IT TO DEPTHS NOT PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT POSSIBLE

I HOPE THIS SHIT DOES GET TO THE POINT OF BEAMING FUCKING ADS INTO PEOPLE MINDS, THEN LESS PEOPLE WILL BE BOTHERED WHEN I START STALKING AND KILLING THE UPPER-MANAGEMENT FUCKWITS THAT COME UP WITH THIS SHIT

speaking of in-game ads, i do remember subtle ads for movies and cell phones/carriers in Rainbow Six: Vegas and i think it's sequel. there were billboards and posters around certain levels (single and multiplayer), and they actually changed to show which movies were coming out in theaters. and i think Sprint, Verizon, Sony (for the Sony Ericsson) or something had the rights to be featured on billboards in the game.

It used to be that you would buy a game, and you could play that fucking game, start to finish, unlock shit, what the fuck ever.

Now, you pre-order the game in advance to ensure that you get as much of the game as you can since gamestop has a fucking monopoly on shit now and fuck you, they can do that. After that, you need an internet connection, you need to sign up for an account for your gaming system, then an account for the company that made this particular game, play as much as you can, then buy the downloadable content to actually play through whatever else is left. All while having advertisement abruptly interrupting your shit.

If you want to just go home, relax, and have a little virtual fun on your own after a bad day, fuck you, because you're going to be online at all times whether you like it or not. Want to have some fun? Too bad, innovation is being sold, we're going to churn out the same few games again and again to attract new retards.

Expansion packs will cost the same as entire games. If you want to play the version of the game we actually finished, you'll have to buy it again.

There will be no trading, borrowing, or buying used games. Everybody will have their own copy, and if you don't want to pay full price for a game that is well over two years old, TOUGH SHIT FUCK NUGGET.

When I first bought my fucking PS3, I knew shit was getting retarded already. I didn't care to sign up for PSN, in fact, I just wanted to play my McFucking game. I want to pop the McFucking disc in my McFucking playstation, and McFucking play my McFucking game. Instead, there's a sign up process that I have to go through to do fucking anything. Okay, what the fuck ever. That finally done, I fucking end up going through a god damned installation process for EVERY FUCKING GAME. Why the fuck did the super nintendo not have to do this? Why the fuck did the ps1, ps2, and psp not have to do this? What the fuck, I have to sit and stare at a loading screen for over an hour to play my game?! Whatever, but why?

"It's to prevent long loading screens throughout the game."

...

What the O'Fuck.

>>525
back the fuck up. i agree with almost everything else you mentioned, but i'll take a one time only long ass installation process than bullshit like Ubisoft's Uplay. or if i lose my internet connection for whatever reason, i get some message in the middle of playing saying that, "Your internet connection has be dropped or cannot be detected and your profile has been signed out of the server. Returning to the main menu. Please wait." which i've actually had happen with a few games on the 360.

and whoa. what the shit is this? are you seriously asking way the PS3 performs that way compared to that of older generation consoles?

anyway. pre-orders have started to piss me off, with their limited edition packs or whatever. especially if it's crap i'd unlock if i just make enough progress in the game. i try to only reserve games that come with physical content like an art book, the official soundtrack, a flash drive, or something useful or neat.

rude

I don't see the problem.

A game have something you dont like, like DRM, DLC, or whatever? Just pirate it to show the companies you wont be buying that shit.

Oh, you got a console? LOL SUCKS TO BE YOUR STUPID ASS THEN

>>530
NOT ALL OF US CAN AFFORD HIGH END GAMING FUCKING COMPUTERS COCK SAUCE.
















ALSO FUCK YOU.

>>531
YOU FUCKING IDIOT

IT IS EXACTLY RETARDED THINKING LIKE THIS THAT CHARACTERISTIC FOR CONSOLE KIDDIES LIKE YOU

YOU DONT NEED A "HIGH END" COMPUTER TO PLAY GAMES

AND EVEN IF IT DID, IT WOULD COST AS MUCH AS A CONSOLE COST TO UPGRADE YOUR CURRENT COMPUTER TO ONE, UNLESS YOU WERE SO STUPID TO GET SOME CRAPPY PIECE OF ACER SHIT THAT CANT BE UPGRADED (or unless you only have a laptop, meh).

AND WHEN LOOKING AT THINGS IN LONG TERM, PC GAMING IS CHEAPER BECAUSE WE DON'T PAY 40-60 DOLLARS FOR EVERY GAME WE BUY

LOLOLOL 60 DOLLARS ARE YOU SHITTING ME I DONT EVEN REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I PAID MORE THAN 40 DOLLARS FOR A GAME, OH IT MUST HAVE BEEN WHEN I BOUGHT QUAKE 2 OVER TEN YEARS AGO

>>532
No need to make this a console-vs-PC thing. >>531 is obviously a fucking moron; ignore him. The truth is, console owners are getting shafted by the industry too. They're trying to phase out the compatibility of used games. Most xBox and PS3 games now include an unlock key for online multiplayer. One game, one key, for one system. If you sell your game or buy a new one, it's useless. OR, if your console breaks and you buy a new one, your game is useless, too. It's fucking highway robbery, and we're ALL getting shafted.

>>532
HEY COCK MUFFIN, I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN COVERED IN MONEY MOST OF YOUR LIFE, BUT LOTS OF PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD AWESOME ASS COMPUTERS. MY CURRENT COMPUTER IS A PIECE OF SHIT THAT NEEDS TO BE BURNT, NOT UPGRADED.

ALSO, ONLY RETARDS PAY THE FULL $60 FOR A GAME, I BUY USED, HENCE THE AFFORMENTIONED RAGE TOWARDS USED GAMES BECOMING FORBIDDEN FOR NO McFUCKING REASON.

>>533
FUCK YOU FOR CALLING ME A DUMBASS AND IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING UP WITH A BUNCH OF SHIT I SERIOUSLY AGREE WITH YOU FOR.

>>534
It fucks over developers and publishers.

SAGE has been used.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ8NhxD0-Ek&feature=bf_next&list=SP546793E0D9AB4536

>>534
OH

MY

LUCIFER

YOU CANT POSSIBLE BE

THIS STUPID

>BUT LOTS OF PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD AWESOME ASS COMPUTERS

DIDN'T I JUST TELL YOUR RETARDED ASS THAT YOU DON'T

LET ME REPEAT THAT FOR YOUR HOPELESS BRAIN

D O N T

NEED A HIGH END COMPUTER TO PLAY GAMES?

OKAY LETS TAKE IT ONE MORE TIME JUST TO BE SURE YOU'LL GET IT NOW

YOU DON'T NEED AN "AWESOME ASS" COMPUTER TO PLAY GAMES

GOT IT NOW?

GOOD. NOT GET THE FUCK OUT OF THIS THREAD, YOU SPASTIC.

>>533
I WILL FUCKING MAKE THIS INTO A CONSOLE VS. PC THREAD IF POSSIBLE BECAUSE WE SHOULDN'T DO THAT ON /vg/.

>>541
DID IT OCCUR TO YOU THAT WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT FUCKING STANDARDS YOU FUCKING DICK?! BELIEVE IT OR NOT, NOT EVERYBODY CAN AFFORD COMPUTERS CAPABLE OF PLAYING THE LATEST CONSOLE HITS. BY YOUR STANDARDS, AWESOME-ASS COMPUTER MEANS THE SLEEKEST ALIENWARE HIGH POWERED OVERCLOCKED CUSTOM MADE MACHINE BRED IN A REALM OF ORGANIC MACHINES FOR THE SOUL PURPOSE OF GAMING.

MY STANDARD OF AWESOME ASS COMPUTER IS ONE THAT CAN PLAY A PS2 GAME WITHOUT SLOWING DOWN TO A NEAR COMPLETE STOP.

SO YOU KNOW WHAT?! FUCK YOU IN YOUR IGNORANT ASS HOLE, UNLESS YOU CAN FIND ME A CHEAP COMPUTER THAT CAN PLAY DEVIL MAY CRY AND SHIT, IN WHICH CASE, PLEASE, BY ALL MEANS, FUCK ME.

John Cheese has always been a massive faggot. I have no idea why cracked keep allowing him to shit directly into their website. Just ignore his faggotry.

If gamestop just gave like 10% of their used game profits to developers and publishers then these assholes wouldn't be anally raping us as hard as they are now.

And now used games are going to be a thing of the past, gamestop really screwed themselves thinking only about short term profit, fucking themselves and us in the long run. Stupid motherfuckers.

>>536
>>572

SHIT LIKE THIS IS THE STUPIDEST BULLSHIT I'VE EVER HEARD IN MY ENTIRE GODDAMN LIFE! HOW RETARDED DO YOU HAVE TO BE TO WILLFULLY DENY THE EXISTENCE OF CONSUMER RIGHTS!? DID YOU THINK WHEN YOU BUY A GAME FOR 60$ THAT YOU ARE RENTING IT AND THE COMPANY THAT MADE IT STILL FUCKING OWNS IT AFTER SELLING IT TO THE RETAILER WHO THEN SOLD IT TO YOU!? THEY MADE THEIR MONEY WHEN THEY SOLD IT THE FIRST TIME! DO YOU SEE CAR COMPANIES GOING AFTER RED NECKS WHO TRY TO SELL THEIR BEAT UP CAR/TRUCK IN THEIR FRONT LAWN FOR NOT GIVING THEM SOME OF THAT MONEY!? FUCKING NO! USUALLY WHEN YOU BUY SOMETHING YOU HAVE FULL RIGHTS TO IT AND CAN DISPOSE OF IT/SELL IT HOWEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT! BY THEIR FUCKING LOGIC EVERY SINGLE USED MARKET SHOULD BE ILLEGAL, EVERY, SINGLE, ONE OF THEM. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY INDUSTRIES ARE TRYING TO PULL SHIT LIKE THIS! JUST ONE, FUCKING THEM!

THAT'S NOT THE WORST PART EITHER! THEY ARE CEO'S OF COURSE THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO STICK THEIR DICKS IN EVERYONE'S ASSES TO MAKE MORE MONEY! BUT THEN THERE HAVE TO BE FUCKERS LIKE YOU WHO JUST ROLL OVER AND TAKE IT LIKE A LITTLE BITCH! "IT'S THEIR GAME, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU PAID FOR IT! THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO ARBITRARILY REVOKE YOUR ABILITY TO PLAY THE GAME, MAKE IT SO NOBODY ELSE CAN PLAY YOUR COPY OF THE GAME, TAKE A GIANT SHIT ON YOU AND EXPECT YOU TO BUY THE GAME OVER AND OVER AGAIN FOR ETERNITY JUST TO PLAY THAT ONE GAME, COME INTO YOUR HOUSE AND RUB THEIR SWEATY BALLS ALL OVER YOUR LUNCH AND THEN FUCK YOU IN THE ASS FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN BECAUSE FUCK YOU, AND YOU SHOULD LIKE IT!". I JUST SHUDDER TO IMAGINE WHAT IT MUST BE LIKE TO GO THROUGH LIFE AS SUBMISSIVE AS YOU ARE! ALSO FUCK YOU A MILLION TIMES, FUCK ALL OF YOU, FUCK YOUR MOTHERS, AND FUCK YOU!!!!!!

>>543
I can, and have, put together a computer that can handle (not prettily half the time) current games for the same price as a new 360.
How fucking retarded and / or sheltered are you?

Hell, my third computer, which is all together worth about the same as a USED 360 can play current games. Fuck you, you lazy shitface.

>>588
Hey asshole, when you're done jerking off your I-know-how-to-maek-computers cock all over the god damned screen, you ought to realize that THIS ISN'T AN OPTION FOR EVERY FUCKING BODY.

Have you tried not buying video games? It works pretty well for me. Especially when there's so much free entertainment out there. If you didn't feel the need to play MASS EFFECT 3 on opening day, you wouldn't have these problems.

SAGE has been used.

>>594
If you can afford a console, you can afford to put together a pc that costs the same.

There is no excuse, shit for brains, there is only laziness and stupidity.

soapbox time:

YOU KNOW WHY SENSIBLE, INTELLIGENT PEOPLE STILL SHELL OUT FOR CONSOLES?

BECAUSE PC GAMERS ARE FUCKING CHILDISH WINDBAGS

WITH THIS CONSOLE GENERATION COMING TO AN END, THE REIGN OF SHITTY HARDWARE, REGION LOCKING AND GENERAL CONSUMER ASS-FUCKING COULD BE QUASHED BUT IT WONT HAPPEN BECAUSE INSTEAD OF TRYING TO FOSTER A WELCOMING COMMUNITY AND ENCOURAGING, EVEN HELPING PEOPLE TO BUILD THEIR OWN MACHINES, WE'VE BEEN SHITTING ALL OVER THEM, GLOATING IN THEIR FACES WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY BLAMING THEM FOR ALL OUR PROBLEMS AND OVERALL JUST PRESENTING THE FACE OF A BUNCH OF FUCKWADS NOBODY WOULD WANT TO PLAY GAMES WITH.

ANYONE ASPIRING TO GET MORE INTO GAMING WILL MAKE THE CHOICE TO MOVE TO PC DESPITE THE COMMUNITY, AND MUST GRUDGINGLY PUT ASIDE THEIR RESENTMENTS AND DEFENSIVE ATTITUDE OF THEIR PREFERRED CONSOLE THAT HAVE BEEN BUILD UP AS A RESULT OF OUR SHITTY ATTITUDE

>>622
what this dude said.

same can be applied to the whole pc vs. mac debate. which is just as old and shitty. i have no qualms with pc gamers and users, just the ones who shit all over anyone using anything else. what it comes down to for me is, who gives a shit how or what someone spends their money their money on? boo-hoo, i don't build my own pcs. that shit in no way affects anyone else.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR6-u8OIJTE

Jesus Christ. Stick the knife in my heart please. This is the future, our favorite hobby is being shat all over and there's nothing we can do about it.

>>581
I'm not denying "customer rights", I just actually now how industries like this work.

For starters, comparing video games to cars is completely fallacious for many reasons, chief among them:
1) A car degrades over time where as a video game doesn't.
2) The "usefulness" of a car lowers depending on how many people use it (both in a given moment and over time) where as a video game doesn't.
3) Cars are an ongoing transaction. Just because you bought a car doesn't mean you aren't going to stop paying for it (even if you did paid the full price up front). Even if you're lucky enough to just have to maintain it, you'll end up paying quite a bit (depending on how long you have it). Often buying a used one means you'll have to pay again sooner and/or at a higher rate of time. This isn't so with video games.

Also, like it or not, buying a game in no way gives you ownership over it. All you did is buy an experience under guidelines which you agreed to when you gave whoever your money for it. This is true for every artistic medium including sculptures and paintings. You can bitch about it all you want, but a situation where your access to something can't be potentially cut off simply won't exist

>>649
1. Physical copies do degrade over time. They suffer scratches easily.
2. Games devalue over time just like cars. You can probably buy a lot of PS2 JRPGs (only one system ago) for a couple bucks.
3. I will give you this for cars, but not for any other media that exists.

Really, I think it's more apt to compare it to movies like >>523 did.
Or how about music? Lets assume people actually bought music.

You buy a CD. Most albums used to have 10-12 songs on them, but these days they only have 2-3 and cost just as much if not more. You can't listen to it until you go online to activate it and you can't borrow a CD from a friend because you can only use the activation key once.
In the middle of every couple songs, you get a Pandora commercial, but it's not in between songs, it's right in the middle of them.
When you get to the end of the short album, you're asked to pay more for additional special songs not included on the album itself. The cost for the addition song is half as much as the entire album was.

This is why it's bullshit.

Also about the PC vs console thing, you really can buy a pc that can run most games for about 400. It's not too much more than a console and saves a lot of money in games in the long run.
Think of it this way, even if you don't pirate and just wait for steam sales, paying 50% of the price...
You end up making up the additional cost of the pc after just 4-5 games.
When you pay 30 instead of 60, or nothing at all, you end up actually making money on the deal.
Financially, actually, it makes much more sense to invest in a PC.

If you absolutely cannot save up $400... there are probably things you should be more concerned about than gaming. I'm not trying to be an asshole; I think pc gaming is great and wish more people would try it, but it's the truth.

>>650
financially, maybe. but it can still come down to preference. and no offense to you, but those pc gamers who constantly say things like, "WHY WOULD YOU USE A CONSOLE?" are the assholes i hate. the ones who can't understand that them liking pc games for whatever reason is their preference, and what i do is mine.

honestly, i don't even complain about the price of games. i'm just grateful the prices in the U.S. aren't like those in Australia or other places.

SAGE has been used.

>>648
What pissed me off about this video is his misuse of the term "clip".
It's a fucking magazine, you imbecile.

>>649

So you DO think you pay 60$ to rent it?! Also agreeing to the "guidelines" is bullshit without a contract, the point at which you agree to guidelines is when you agree to the terms and conditions. Also your argument can be boiled down to "I'm nor denying customer rights, they just don't have any!". Then as >>650 mentioned CDs do in fact degrade over time even if they aren't used; Sure it takes a long time but try to use a CD a few decades from now. No matter how well you stored it by then it would be useless. Then there's the whole "how the industry works" bullshit, it hasn't worked that way and it shouldn't ever work that way. Maybe the "way it works" now should be that the game self-destructs the moment you purchase it 49 out of 50 times and you just have to purchase it again and again until you get a copy that DOESN'T explode only to find that it's the shiiest quality game you'd ever played in your entire god damn life but you'd better not complain because then you'd be a whiny and entitled asshole all like "I wanted the inordinate amount of money I spent purchasing this thing so many times over to have a working copy to mean getting a game that IS NOT a metaphor for the soul sucking vicariousness of hyper consumerism and social defeatism that is my life!". You and people like you are one of the many reasons why we can't have nice things, fuck you.