>>495
>There's this bitch, a complete and utter cunt who lives near me, who forces her son (who she calls "her little girl") to wear dresses, skirts, and everything your typical tween girl would wear.

I'm pretty sure that counts as abuse. Call the cops.

Have you considered that the kid has gender identity disorder and this woman is just trying to support her child?

Otherwise, I'm pretty sure >>496 is right.

>>497
Fully agreed with this. The kid could think he's supposed to be a girl and might oneday be transgender. Either that, or go with >>496

fuck the transgenders that think there is something wrong with cis people or that it's not natural to be cis. Anyone who has ever said "die cis scum" and not criticized it should be put on a special island of retards.

>>506
Outside of dumbfucks like this (though it's debatable if he even really counts as transgendered), I've never heard a single transgender person say that cisgender people are "wrong" or really anything other than normal. Also, don't we have another thread were you can bitch about trannies?

SAGE has been used.

As >>497 said, you don't know all the facts, OP.

That being said, If the bitch really is forcing her cisgender son to dress like a girl, then someday, after years of therapy, he'll hate her for it, and probably dump her in the shittiest nursing home possible.

But yeah, feminists like that piss me off. I have an aunt who's a lesbian, her and her partner are pretty left-wing and feminist, and they raised three sons. But even they understand that traditional genders exist for a reason. They let my cousins be their own persons; today one is in the Army, one's a cop, and the other is a defense contractor. The best thing you could do as a parent is give your kids guidance but ultimately support them in whatever makes them happy.

This bitch is FORBIDDING HIM to act like a boy and calling his being born a boy a DISORDER?!

CALL FUCKING CPS YOU DOUCHENOZZLE, THATS FUCKED UP SHIT RIGHT THERE.

Wow, she needs a good fist to the face.

Report her to someone, record what she does. Get enough people to stand up to this psycho bitch to take her child away from her. She's ruining his life. Talk to a cop about it and ask for advice on what to do.

I'm generally a pretty nice person, and an all-loving person. Except when it comes to feminists. There's just something horrifically unacceptable about feminists that I can not tolerate for the life of me.

By definition feminism is a fine idea, but in practice it's the most blatant contradiction I've seen next to hating racists. HATING MEN BECAUSE THEY ARE SEXIST? THAT IS IN ITSELF SEXIST YOU STUPID CUNTS. FUCKING SICK OF THESE BITCHES BEING SEXIST WHORES UNDER THE GUISE OF WOMEN'S RIGHTS. PEOPLE ARE JUST PEOPLE OK, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT GENITALS YOU HAVE. HATING SOMEONE FOR THE WAY THEY ARE BORN IS RIGHT UP THERE WITH FUCKING RACISTS AND NAZIS AND HOMOPHOBES. YET THEY MAINTAIN THIS ILLUSION OF MORALE SUPERIORITY, EVEN IN THE MEDIA. FUCK THIS SHIT.

>>546
I personally like how you defined feminism in a way that completely undermines its core message out of pure ignorance.

Feminism isn't about hating men (only fringe radical elements do) but about elevating the social status of women in the culture to equal men. Most feminists realize that antagonizing men is counter productive since were still kind of in control of society. In short, feminists need men to make major change and they know it.

>>549
Like the man said, it's a fine idea on paper, BUT NO ONE ACTUALLY PRACTICES IT THAT WAY. Every single feminist 'issue' in civilized society is nitpicky undemonstratable bullshit. It is particularly offensive that when there are REAL women's rights issues across the world in places like uganda where they are still considered fucking property, but the only time the average feminist gives a shit about that is when they spout it off to shame any dissenters while they march in the streets for the cause of their actions not having any repercussions.

Seriously, you want the help and respect of men? Fight for middle eastern women to be allowed to wear pants without fear of being arrested, rather than crying about some fucking illuminati-level patriarchy

>>550
This. In first world countries women are mostly equal to men (I'll grant that they MAY not be completely equal), they are at any rate far more equal to a white man than say a black man would be.

There is absolutely no need for active feminists in first world countries, take that shit elsewhere we already fixed our shit.

>>551
Ah the "its worse somewhere else" bullshit fallacy to justify baseless resentment; tell the guy who can't feed his family for lack of a job that he's lucky hes not stuck in Zimbabwe. Yes things are better elsewhere but not getting equal pay and the entire economy is still run by men. Sexual harassment is traditional male-dominated workplaces is still a major issue as well.

Besides, western feminists can do very little for oppressed cultures outside their own due to the extreme improbability and difficulty of transplanting social movements and revolutions. Cultural changes come from inside a culture directly for the most part even if the core principle is foreign.

>>553
this is not a case of "it's worse somewhere else" so much as that ALL YOUR ISSUES ARE BULLSHIT

CAN YOU APPRECIATE THAT IT IS AGAINST THE FUCKING LAW TO PAY TWO PEOPLE DOING THE SAME JOB WITH THE SAME CREDENTIALS AND EXPERIENCE WITHIN A COMPANY DIFFERENT WAGES? THANKS TO FEMINIST BELLIGERENCE NOBODY CAN GET AWAY WITH THAT SHIT ANYMORE, THEY'D BE INSANE TO TRY

SEXUAL HARASSMENT? FUCK YOU. THERE ARE SO MANY CASES OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT IN THE WORKPLACE BECAUSE, THANKS ONCE AGAIN TO FEMINISM, A WORKING WOMAN CAN HAVE ANY MAN IN HER VICINITY FIRED/ARRESTED ON ANY/NO PRETENSE ASSUMING IT CAN VAGUELY BE LABELED HARASSMENT. I'VE SEEN IT FUCKING HAPPEN, NO QUESTIONS ARE ASKED, NO INVESTIGATION, YOU ARE JUST OUT THE FUCKING DOOR.
WOMEN HAVE SUCCESSFULLY PRESSED CHARGES AGAINST GROUPS OF CO-WORKERS WHO INVITED TO THE BAR AFTER WORK, LIKEWISE WOMEN HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN TAKING ACTION AGAINST COWORKERS WHO NEVER INVITED THEM TO THE BAR, PROBABLY OUT OF FUCKING FEAR OF SHIT LIKE THIS.

I WAS TRYING TO FIND A SOURCE FOR THAT ONE AND STUMBLED OVER THIS GEM ON FORBES:

>When her hotel room phone rang at 2 a.m., Megan McFeely assumed it was an emergency. Maybe a friend or family member was hurt or in trouble. Worried, she sleepily picked it up, only to hear a male coworker on the other end. Not a superior, he was someone with "definitely more power than I had," urging her to come back down to the hotel bar. It was obvious he was drunk.

>"I was astounded," says McFeely, who was in New York with several colleagues for a work conference. "He asked me what I was doing in bed, why wasn't I down there partying with them." McFeely told the man she needed to get some sleep and hung up the phone. But the call continued to weigh on her. "When you're not the one in power, and someone does something like that, you just feel unsafe."

>Welcome to the new sexual harassment.

I REITERATE, FUCK YOU.

MAYBE THERE ARE SOME REAL, LEGITIMATE WOMEN'S ISSUES IN THE WEST, GRANTED I'VE NEVER BEEN PRIVY TO THEM BUT I'LL GIVE YOU THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT.

WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT MEN FACE EASILY AS MANY INEQUALITIES, AND WHEN MEN FORM GROUPS TO TRY TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES THEY ARE ACTIVELY ATTACKED BY FEMINISTS WHO ATTEMPT TO DISCREDIT THEM AND UNDERMINE EVERY GOAL THEY WORK TOWARDS

WHEN WOMEN HAVE MEN BY THE BALLS IN DIVORCE COURT, WHEN MEN ARE ASSUMED TO BE THE GUILTY PARTY IN ANY DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CASE, EVEN WHEN THEY ARE THE ONES WHO CALLED THE POLICE, WHEN THERE ARE COUNTLESS SCHOLARSHIPS, GRANTS AND BURSARIES AVAILABLE SIMPLY FOR THE ACHIEVEMENT OF HAVING A VAGINA, AND SOMEONE TRIES TO TELL ME ABOUT MY MALE PRIVILEGE, ABOUT HOW IT'S A MAN'S WORLD, THE ONLY THING I CAN DO IS SCREAM TO THE HEAVENS FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOU

>>557
>BASELESS ACCUSATIONS OF THE VICTIMIZATION OF MEN WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY DELEGITIMIZING THE VICTIMIZATION OF WOMEN.

>WOMEN HAVE AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE IN ONE AREA OF SOCIAL LIFE AND THAT SHOULD JUSTIFY ALL THE UNFAIR ADVANTAGES OF MEN

THE HILARIOUS PART IS THAT FUCKKNUCKLES LIKE YOU BASICALLY EXISTS ONLY TO PERSONIFY MY EXACT POINT OF HOW MODERN MEN ARE STILL SEEKING TO DELEGITIMIZE FEMINISM AS A WHOLE BECAUSE OF MINOR CONCERNS AND A GRANDIOSE SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT.

>>557
I am on this mans side. The person who is disagreeing is either retarded or a woman on her period.

>baseless accusations and attempts to delegitimize
How ironic

Also, one aspect of society?
>all branches of law favor women
>education subsidies and affirmitive action favor women
>social norms like chivalry favor women
When these were women's issues they were oppressive and pervasive, but now that it's mens' issue it's just baseless whining and entitlement. Talk about personifying my exact point

>>559
Pointless ad hominem.

>>560
Only family court, rape cases (this is changing slowly), and length of sentencing compared to male convicts.
Affirmative action is a policy that I do not agree with since its essentially a simple blanket solution to many complex problems that has had a lack luster effect. Although women are still quite under represented in upper management positions.
If you don't like being chivalrous or the concept of chivalry you don't have to be and no one is forcing you. Most actions that have been differentiated from polite that are considered chivalrous are, in my experience, considered bygone little novelties.

Also, were not talking about men's issues; the discussion has been about the validity of feminism in western society so don't try and make this something that it isn't.

>>562
>Pointless ad hominem.
OH IM SORRY AM I ON /ARGUMENT/? NO? OH RIGHT! THIS BOARD IS CALLED /RAEG/ YOU FUCKING FUCK

>>563
You're still trying to win a debate, angry or not, by being an unintelligent little shit and that has never worked.

>>564
MODZ I CALL UPON THE. SMITE ">>564" WITH THE ALMIGHTY HAMMER OF WRATH. I WILL ALSO SACRIFICE MY OWN SOUL TO THE MODZ HAMMER IF THAT'S WHAT IT'S TAKES.

>>558
>One Area

>Academics
>Court
>Workforce
>Not to mention the advantage in social groups(Emasculated whiteknights always defending them, social chivalry--helping a woman while she's down, while society expects men to just "TAKE IT LIKE A MAN!")

Get out.

>>567
Its also funny how women are at a disadvantage in certain respects concerning academics and the workforce. Legal cases concerning children and sentencing are the only legal areas where women hold no real disadvantage.

>>570
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_2LpLhOsc4

2:36

GET THE FUCK OUT FRUITCAKE

>>571
I don't get it? Yes women are increasing in the workforce and are finding their way into higher status professions due to their increasing presence in higher education but your little piece of propaganda (lol, Nazi comparison right over the speaker) does nothing to address the the fact that women are very underrepresented in positions like corporate presidencies, CEO, and director boards; you know, upper level management.

And I doubt "Manhood Academy" would be at least an impartial or academic judge of the validity of modern feminism.

>>573

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303990604577368344256435440.html



Once those rich old men turn into dust who do you think will take over?

>>574
Umm... more rich old men?

What an absurdly idiotic question.

I CAN POST POLARIZING VIDEO TOO!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ECOqpv45tIo

>>553
In the United States women earn just as much, and often times more than men, for doing a lot less work.
I have been a part of the workforce for fifteen years. While I have seen people say inappropriate things around women(never actually TO women(that kind of thing happens to everyone. not just women)), I have never seen a woman sexually harassed in the same manner portrayed in one of those harassment videos.

op,
If this story is true, please intervene on behalf of that kid.
It's like the whole thing where women say they want nice guys. They pussify their kid to try to get back at men without even realizing what they are doing or why they are doing it. And then they continue to pursue assholes in the meantime.
Situations like this are just another reason why kids need a father. Yeah there are plenty of instances where the father is a deadbeat. But there are also many instances where the mother keeps the father away from the child for no good reason, other than the fact that she just doesn't like him or is afraid that her friends will not be impressed.

>>577cont'd

>>558
>BASELESS ACCUSATIONS OF THE VICTIMIZATION OF MEN WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY DELEGITIMIZING THE VICTIMIZATION OF WOMEN.
He did not make baseless accusations of male victimization. Sure he didn't post any links. But it happens all the time and you know it.
He did not delegitimize the victimization of women. While the phone call the woman received may have made her feel uncomfortable(again, this happens to everybody), and while the behavour might could even be considered inappropriate, should it really be classified as harassment? Several phone calls? Yes. One phone call? Probably not. But then again we do not know what was said.
It is possible for one phone call to be considered harassment if he was vulgar. But just the fact of her being a female doesn't automatically make it harassment.
And that is the whole thing he was trying to convey with that story. If a woman says it is harassment, then that is what it becomes. No investigation. Just harassment.

>WOMEN HAVE AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE IN ONE AREA OF SOCIAL LIFE AND THAT SHOULD JUSTIFY ALL THE UNFAIR ADVANTAGES OF MEN
In which area of social life do women hold an advantage?
What are some unfair advantages men have?

>>578
>In which area of social life do women hold an advantage?
What are some unfair advantages men have?

Well I have posted and admitted that women hold social and perceptual advantages in certain legal areas such as sentencing (roughly only being given 80% of what men get for the same crime) and family court.

I also posted women and their representation in higher employment as well as that documentary trailer about how rape really isn't a crime in the US military.

>>577
This is pretty much entirely anecdotal evidence in your first paragraph and thats kind of a crap basis for an argument.

Also, I've never debated about the OP and honestly kind of agree with his notion of entirely reversing a child's gender perception at birth. I only started commenting in this thread to demean and belittle >>557 .

>>579
I will admit that it may be very difficult for women to achieve top brass at most companies seeing as how those positions are usually GIVEN either to family members or because of comradery. And yes, most would probably rather have those powers be kept by men. Both for old fashioned reasons and because after all, as this thread shows, men feel as if they are under attack.
The recent news story about the new female CEO of IBM who was denied membership to Augusta National shows that it is not impossible for women to attain these high company positions.

But I still maintain that women who work and earn at my level receive either the same or more pay for significantly less work.
Women are not expected to do manual labor. And if men tried for the same jobs they would be denied.

There are strong double standards on both sides of the argument. And it will probably always be that way.

>>582cont'd

>anecdotal evidence: non-scientific observations or studies, which do not provide proof but may assist research efforts

problem?

>>583
You have no actual evidence supporting your claim. Anecdotal evidence is really only useful when you want to bring a wide reaching piece of evidence down to a more personal level to better explain the data. If you only offer anecdotal evidence, you really just end up looking like an ass; especially when every study done on differences in wage shows that women earn less than men in nearly every profession.

>>597
for all the worlds of studies I keep hearing about the only ones I ever see are weaselly bullshit comparing wages in ways that skew the numbers, like making a straight quantity comparison of earnings in fields where there are more men than women.

The fact is that men earn more over all because in general they take more dangerous jobs and work longer hours

>>615
It'd sure be great if you could back up those accusations of women being either cowardly or lazy. Every credible study that's been done has compared wages on an equal time basis such as hour per year or dollars per hour and they still support that women make about 30% less than men.

>>616
Dude get a job in a hazardous workplace. I used to do welding work on an oilfield. Sure, there were women employed at this field, but not a damn one welded the rigs. Women can weld, I've seen them do it, and the company would have had them out there if they'd applied for that job. But did they? No, they were satisfied working the desks for less pay, because welding on an oil rig is fucking hard, dirty, dangerous work.

>>617
We get it, your a big tough guy who does jobs that the lady folk generally don't like to do, but that has nothing to do with the debate. When people talk about the wage gap between men and women, they are talking about people with the same fucking job. Just because guys generally do work that's more dangerous doesn't mean a male accountant deserves more pay than a female one.

SAGE has been used.

>>616
way to put words in my mouth cocksucker, I never called anybody lazy or cowardly. There is nothing wrong with not wanting to work more hours or do more hazardous work if you're content with the money you're making. The problem comes in when idiots like you come along and see one group receiving extra pay for their extra effort, and decide they are somehow privileged because of it.

You keep mentioning this plethora of fucking studies. Let's see one

>>619
you're a real shitposter aren't you? The guy is giving his personal insight as someone in a hazardous profession, not looking to show off how tough he is. I myself have been a shop welder and I now work the rigs. In four years working these two jobs I have seen 2 female welders (at school, there were none in my shop) and 3 female servicehands on the rigs. I have never even heard of a female rig hand.

As for a femal accounjtant getting less than a male one, every job I've ever applied for had a flat starting rate. Any company stupid enough to try enforcing a female pay rate and a male pay rate would be splashed all over the media and shamed into bankruptcy within a month.

I realize that some companies pay individuals differently based on poorly defined 'experience' etc, and try to keep thepay diff. hush-hush between employees, but that's bullshit for an entirely different reason. This is like the whole violence against women thing. Why not just campaign to end violence? Everybody gets shafted by shit like this. It's an issue, but it isn't a gender issue, and focusing on one group like they are uniquely disadvantaged is divisive and antagonizes everyone else it affects.

>>620

http://usgovinfo.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=usgovinfo&cdn=newsissues&tm=14&f=00&su=p284.13.342.ip_&tt=2&bt=1&bts=1&zu=http%3A//www.gao.gov/n
ew.items/d0435.pdf

http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpswom2009.pdf

http://articles.marketwatch.com/2009-04-28/finance/30779427_1_wage-gap-paycheck-fairness-act-gender

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/04/11/large-wage-discrepancy-in-the-white-house/

All of these found in 3 minutes on Google.

>>623
apparently I don't have a .pdf reader so I'll have to get back to you on the first two.

The third one puts the current wage gap at 11 cents. I couldn't possibly care less about that. You can shove your 30% difference right up you ass, along with every bullshit rape and domestic violence statistic that feminists build arguments on without any basis in reality.

There is always going to be a difference. If you tally the wages of blacks versus mexicans there is going to be a difference. If you tally the wages of people who wear hats versus those who don't there is going to be a difference. The fact that the numbers are so damn close is actually pretty surprising, and spending taxpayer money on these campaigns to even out wages penny-for-penny across some random metric like gender is fucking retarded beyond words.

The fourth link doesn't look at anything except gender. They're not in the same jobs, they all just happen to work in the same building. They even acknowledge in the article that they don't know any other factors, and that the reason is probably that there are more men in senior positions. If the secretary of defence is a man, and the secretary of phone calls is a woman, yeah, the man is going to make more. Now the argument is "why aren't there more women in senior positions?" and it's a fair question, but I'm gonna have to see some stats on how many women are actually gunning for these positions before I'm able to give a shit.

as for
>All of these found in 3 minutes on Google.
why the hell should I care how long it took you? Are you trying to guilt me for not looking up your sources for you?

>>625
I never asserted anything about the exact numbers on how much women are payed less but just that I know that they are and that its still a real problem.

>The third one puts the current wage gap at 11 cents. I couldn't possibly care less about that.
Well right here this prove not only that your a sexist but that your also a shit head.
When earning 80,000 a year as a man and a woman earning 72,000 for that same year is a big fucking deal.

>There is always going to be a difference.
And so I guess we should never do anything about it because if we can't eliminate it now due to whatever limitations that there are we should never do anything about it because fuck helping other people.

>why the hell should I care how long it took you? Are you trying to guilt me for not looking up your sources for you?
The point is that this information is INCREDIBLY accessible and so no one should deny that one can find this kind of information easily. The first is even a government study.

Also found with 3 minutes on Google:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303592404577361883019414296.html

>>627
I like how he naturally assumes that the 40% of American children growing up with unwed mothers are single moms and does not potentially factor in common law spouses/families, divorces, and other such factors that would have two parents but no marriage.